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Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

Are gay people "abnormal"?

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StillBallin75 said:
Why would any person "choose" to be gay? It doesn't exactly come with a lot of perks.

What evidence do I have that it isn't a choice? I have many friends that are gay. Some of them, due to their own religious beliefs or that of their families and relatives, have tried like hell to change, so as to be accepted. It is not something that can be wilfully done.
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They would choose so for a number of reasons from influences to emotions to popularity to experimentation to whatever else. To someone who supports homosexuality, they may believe that it does have perks.

You have no evidence that it isn't a choice. I have had friends that were gay that changed their minds and realised that they were living in sin.
 
theplaydrive said:
Where does the Bible say that it is a choice?
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Te Bible states that it is a sin and I have already explained why God would not have created homosexuals if within His own Word they were living in sin. What options are left beside understanding that it is a choice own makes based on past influences, etc.
 
Wake said:
They would choose so for a number of reasons from influences to emotions to popularity to experimentation to whatever else. To someone who supports homosexuality, they may believe that it does have perks.

You have no evidence that it isn't a choice. I have had friends that were gay that changed their minds and realised that they were living in sin.
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If it is a choice, why did they happen to be gay in the first place? Why not just choose to be not gay to begin with?
 
Wake said:
Te Bible states that it is a sin and I have already explained why God would not have created homosexuals if within His own Word they were living in sin. What options are left beside understanding that it is a choice own makes based on past influences, etc.
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The Bible stated that homosexual ACTS are a sin just like it states that lust is a sin. Yet, God created an entire species where for them lust is completely unavoidable? Why would he create a species that lust when lust is a sin. We could go round and round.

The Bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin, therefore there is no reason for God to have not created homosexuals.
 
StillBallin75 said:
If it is a choice, why did they happen to be gay in the first place? Why not just choose to be not gay to begin with?
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They did not "happen" to be gay. They made a decision. According to God, said lifestyle is sinful. Ergo, I believe it. Faith cannot be explained by logic; logic alone cannot understand God.
 
I voted yes. They are abnormal, just like the rest of us.
 
theplaydrive said:
The Bible stated that homosexual ACTS are a sin just like it states that lust is a sin. Yet, God created an entire species where for them lust is completely unavoidable? Why would he create a species that lust when lust is a sin. We could go round and round.

The Bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin, therefore there is no reason for God to have not created homosexuals.
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Lust is a sin as well. If one commits homosexual acts, I believe they are homosexual. The acts and the state of doing said acts, to me, is a sin. The Bible does say homosexuality is a sin. It also states men being effeminate is a sin. It states waste, greed, vanity, fornication, and pride are sins. Maybe our current world has becme adjusted to living in sin and acceling at it?
 
Wake said:
Lust is a sin as well. If one commits homosexual acts, I believe they are homosexual. The acts and the state of doing said acts, to me, is a sin. The Bible does say homosexuality is a sin. It also states men being effeminate is a sin. It states waste, greed, vanity, fornication, and pride are sins. Maybe our current world has becme adjusted to living in sin and acceling at it?
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Where does it say that homosexuality is a sin? (Also, straight people commit homosexual acts as well).
 
Wake said:
They did not "happen" to be gay. They made a decision. According to God, said lifestyle is sinful. Ergo, I believe it. Faith cannot be explained by logic; logic alone cannot understand God.
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When did God designate you as his official spokesperson? Do you mean to say that the omnipotent master of the entire world reqiures you to speak for him on this subject?
 
I don't believe that homosexual orientation is a choice. But acting upon homosexual urges is definitely a choice. The sin is homosexual sex, not homosexual orientation.
 
theplaydrive said:
Where does it say that homosexuality is a sin? (Also, straight people commit homosexual acts as well).
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There are multiple scriptures on this, playdrive. I do not care to look them up because I have done this literally over 20 times and the repetition sickens my stomach. If a "straight" man voluntarily does a homsexual act, well then he's not straight now isn't he?

Catz Part Deux said:
When did God designate you as his official spokesperson? Do you mean to say that the omnipotent master of the entire world reqiures you to speak for him on this subject?
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Can the hyperbole. I read His scriptures and anyone who understands Christianity can either read andunderstand them or ignore them. It is that simple.

digsbe said:
I don't believe that homosexual orientation is a choice. But acting upon homosexual urges is definitely a choice. The sin is homosexual sex, not homosexual orientation.
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So you believe homosexual sex is a sin, yet being homosexual isn't. Are you stating a homosexual person wouldn't engage in homosexual sex? If one thinks he's homosexual, he's going to engage in homosexual sex. God stated homosexuality is a sin---both acts and lifestyle choice because it is a perversion.
 
Wake said:
So you believe homosexual sex is a sin, yet being homosexual isn't. Are you stating a homosexual person wouldn't engage in homosexual sex? If one thinks he's homosexual, he's going to engage in homosexual sex. God stated homosexuality is a sin---both acts and lifestyle choice because it is a perversion.
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I don't believe homosexual temptations and desires is a sin just as much as it isn't a sin for you to be attracted to women. It's acting upon temptation that is wrong. Homosexual sex is a sin just as extra or premarital straight sex is a sin. However, being tempted is not a sin. I'm not saying that homosexual behavior is acceptable Biblically, what I am saying is those who struggle with homosexual temptations are not in sin.
 
Wake said:
Can the hyperbole. I read His scriptures and anyone who understands Christianity can either read andunderstand them or ignore them. It is that simple.
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There is no hyperbole in pointing out the fact that you have not been designated as any sort of arbiter or spokesperson on any of this, and that the scriptures themselves reflect a worldview that is distinctly non-scientific and inhumane.
 
digsbe said:
I don't believe homosexual temptations and desires is a sin just as much as it isn't a sin for you to be attracted to women. It's acting upon temptation that is wrong. Homosexual sex is a sin just as extra or premarital straight sex is a sin. However, being tempted is not a sin. I'm not saying that homosexual behavior is acceptable Biblically, what I am saying is those who struggle with homosexual temptations are not in sin.
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So, in your opinion, should homosexuals be allowed to marry so that they can be in an exclusive, committed relationship, and can express themselves sexually without sin, as heterosexuals do?
 
digsbe said:
I don't believe homosexual temptations and desires is a sin just as much as it isn't a sin for you to be attracted to women. It's acting upon temptation that is wrong. Homosexual sex is a sin just as extra or premarital straight sex is a sin. However, being tempted is not a sin. I'm not saying that homosexual behavior is acceptable Biblically, what I am saying is those who struggle with homosexual temptations are not in sin.
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So you do believe homosexual sex is a sin, and you state that a straight man can struggle with homosexual temptations? That makes more sense.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
There is no hyperbole in pointing out the fact that you have not been designated as any sort of arbiter or spokesperson on any of this, and that the scriptures themselves reflect a worldview that is distinctly non-scientific and inhumane.
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You have erred by stating that I'm a "spokesperson" for God. I merely state what is stated in the Word of God. Furthermore, you have absolutely no understanding of Christianity because you never believe it to begin with AEB your last statement.
 
Wake said:
There are multiple scriptures on this, playdrive. I do not care to look them up because I have done this literally over 20 times and the repetition sickens my stomach. If a "straight" man voluntarily does a homsexual act, well then he's not straight now isn't he?
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No there aren't which is why I'm asking you. I know the Bible very well and there are passages that say homosexual sex is a sin. I am asking you to tell me where the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin. Hint: there are none.

As far as the straight man. Yes, he is straight because he performs an act against his sexuality.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
So, in your opinion, should homosexuals be allowed to marry so that they can be in an exclusive, committed relationship, and can express themselves sexually without sin, as heterosexuals do?
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I believe that their union is still a sin. However, I respect their personal autonomy and their right to believe that homosexuality is not a sin. I respect their beliefs and I support their right to marry each other even though I believe it's wrong. I don't believe in forcing my faith or my interpretation of the Bible upon everyone. I respect the autonomy of others and their right to live their own life regardless of if I think their actions and choices are right or wrong. It's their life, not mine.
Wake said:
So you do believe homosexual sex is a sin, and you state that a straight man can struggle with homosexual temptations? That makes more sense.
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No. I am saying that homosexual temptation is not a sin. I believe that sexual orientation and sexual acts are two different things. One can be oriented to be attracted to the same sex, but that attraction is not a sin. It's what you do with that attraction/temptation that makes it a sin. Someone can be homosexual and not sin by not acting upon their temptations. I know someone that used to be openly gay. He was once married to a man and was a homosexual prostitute prior to his marriage. He came to Christ and repented of his sin. He openly admits that he still struggles with homosexual temptation, but he does not act upon it though and is thus not sinning. He repented of his sins and choses to live for Christ.
 
StillBallin75 said:
If it is a choice, why did they happen to be gay in the first place? Why not just choose to be not gay to begin with?
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gender non-conforming, rebellion.....taboo excitation.....there are lots of reasons.
 
mac said:
gender non-conforming, rebellion.....taboo excitation.....there are lots of reasons.
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So all the people in "pray the gay away" camps chose to be gay?
 
theplaydrive said:
So all the people in "pray the gay away" camps chose to be gay?
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"pray the gay away camps"? Did you just make that up? If so, I'll have to give you credit for a humor I didn't think you capable of...
 
Wake said:
You have erred by stating that I'm a "spokesperson" for God. I merely state what is stated in the Word of God. Furthermore, you have absolutely no understanding of Christianity because you never believe it to begin with AEB your last statement.
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You stated what YOU BELIEVE is the word of God. In other words, your interpretation of an ancient document of uncertain origin.

Your assumption that I know nothing about Christianity makes you sound like a nincompoop.
 
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