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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The fallacy is that because it exists in animals, it is somehow "natural" in humans. Now of course i'm not saying it's NOT natural in humans, but it's a false comparison because animals engage in a lot of other behaviors that humans these days would find "unnatural." (like for instance, eating your own **** like I saw goats do when I volunteered at the National Zoo).
    Such behaviors are natural and not abnormal. The OP, unless I am mistaken, is asking whether homosexually is abnormal not whether it is moral.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Such behaviors are natural and not abnormal. The OP, unless I am mistaken, is asking whether homosexually is abnormal not whether it is moral.
    That's true. Nevertheless the majority of debaters on both sides who tend to use the animal comparison do it when discussing "naturalness."
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I didn't make a claim about humans. I said homosexual attraction exists as something other than human choice which it does - it exists in other purely instinctual species.
    Then your comment has nothing to do with the context in which I responded to Kal, as it was indeed about the animal human comparison.

    You are however trying to imply because it happens in the animal kingdom it is more than choice. In the animal kingdom this may be true. In humans however, no evidence to support this one way or the other exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    What part of my statement was not factual?
    Read comment above.

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    What incorrect information were you correcting? I don't remember Kal saying anything that contradicted this:
    Then you need to read what I responded too.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Even though you're statement is only half-true.

    I'm not sure what this proves. Blacks were considered animals in large part because of their society - their behavior. From your link:
    Only problem with that is, it is a lie...

    The only thing they did not have was the wheel. So no I am correct.

    It proves people see what they want to see contrary to facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Sure they do. They show that homosexual attraction is not unique to humans or simply a chosen sexuality as it exists unchosen in other species. Scientific evidence for choice/not choice in humans is inconclusive though.
    And it does not apply to humans. Unless you have evidence the rest of the world does not?
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    They do? Which is what?
    Scientists don't know, that's the point.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post

    According to who? Some anonymous poster on Wikipedia?
    On Wiki, they expect sourcing, and in fact there is sources listed after each reptile on the list. A quick check shows they come from this book: Biological exuberance: animal ... - Google Books

    You can find out more about this "random person" on his wiki page: Bruce Bagemihl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Turns out his book used as a source is rather famous and well respected. Damn those "random people" on Wiki and their damn habit of sourcing things so any person can actually check and see who the random person is.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    On Wiki, they expect sourcing, and in fact there is sources listed after each reptile on the list. A quick check shows they come from this book: Biological exuberance: animal ... - Google Books

    You can find out more about this "random person" on his wiki page: Bruce Bagemihl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Turns out his book used as a source is rather famous and well respected. Damn those "random people" on Wiki and their damn habit of sourcing things so any person can actually check and see who the random person is.
    So one book buy one guy? OK that proves everyone else wrong.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So one book buy one guy? OK that proves everyone else wrong.
    You are now grasping at straws and again you are not actually following links. His book draws material from over 300 studies on the subject. The reason people include links is so you can actually go and verify. Just dismissing without actually looking at a source never works well.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So one book buy one guy? OK that proves everyone else wrong.

    Uh who is everyone else?

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are now grasping at straws and again you are not actually following links. His book draws material from over 300 studies on the subject. The reason people include links is so you can actually go and verify. Just dismissing without actually looking at a source never works well.
    No that is not the fail. The fail is the article as I said before. Here is the end...

    Homosexuality in animals is seen as controversial by social conservatives because it asserts the naturalness of homosexuality in humans, while others counter that it has no implications and is nonsensical to equate animal behavior to morality.[7][8] Animal preference and motivation is always inferred from behavior. Thus homosexual behavior has been given a number of terms over the years. The correct usage of the term homosexual is that an animal exhibits homosexual behavior, however this article conforms to the usage by modern research[9][10][11][12] applying the term homosexuality to all sexual behavior (copulation, genital stimulation, mating games and sexual display behavior) between animals of the same sex.

    PS I read the article and as I said before animal motivations and human motivations are two separate and distinct things.

    No evidence at all exists to show homosexuality is physical or anything else for that matter.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No. We've debated this lot of times... and I am not talking about anyone but myself. I have consistently stated that we do not know, precisely, how sexual orientation is formed, but the best assumptions from researchers is that it is created by genetics, biology, body chemistry/hormones, and environmental factors... or some combination. This has always been my position.
    You just did it right there....you glossed over the "may be".

    I emphasized best assumptions as it's the closest thing you've said to it may be.
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