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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Is it homosexual behavior or not?

    Yes or no will will suffice.
    No it is not. Just like other frogs which change sex to reproduce, are they transsexuals? Of course not. Has nothing at all to do with homosexuality.

    Please find a better argument.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Cannibolism can't exactly be compared to homosexuality.
    I think the bottom line is the animal comparison isn't a very good one.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No it is not. Just like other frogs which change sex to reproduce, are they transsexuals, of course not. Has nothing at all to do with homosexuality.

    Please find a better argument.

    Uhmmm the lizard doesn't change sex like the frog. They "mate" with the same sex. And same sex sex is pretty gay IMO.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Guys... truthfully, I do not adhere to comparing the behaviors and/or states of other species to that of humans.
    For some behaviors and states, such comparisons have merit in a scholastic sense. It can help understand how and why humans evolved to engage in certain behaviors, for example.

    But, despite having merits in certain contexts, I believe that such comparisons have no place in a debate such as this one because the arguments involving them are almost always fallacious in nature.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Cannibolism can't exactly be compared to homosexuality.
    That's off-topic.

    You state that if animals do it, it must be normal for us. But then animals can be cannibalistic, so should that be normal for us?

    If you use a behavior of animals to describe what is normal for humans, you must then use ALL behaviors that animals commonly partake in lest you seem hypocritical.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Uhmmm the lizard doesn't change sex like the frog. They "mate" with the same sex. And same sex sex is pretty gay IMO.
    Then you consider the frogs transsexuals by your own definition, lol.

    If no males exist in the species, then no "gay" behavior exists. You are going on a nickname and not science. That my friend is ridicules.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    [QUOTE=Blackdog;1059476147]Then you consider the frogs transsexuals by your own definition, lol.

    If no males exist in the species, then no "gay" behavior exists.
    Sorry sparky having sex with the same sex is gay.

    You are going on a nickname and not science. That my friend is ridicules.

    What is ridiculous is your initial comparison of reptiles to mammals. Alligators are reptiles.

    And here is alist of homosexual behavior in reptiles:

    List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No evidence exist to support this hypotheses in humans, period. None of the recent studies on twins, genes, DNA or anything else have come to any conclusion or have any evidence to support your statement.
    I didn't make a claim about humans. I said homosexual attraction exists as something other than human choice which it does - it exists in other purely instinctual species.

    I said it existed even if rarely in lower life forms. This does not change the question or Kal's and your statement being less than factual.
    What part of my statement was not factual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Did not read his argument. I was just correcting Kal's information.
    What incorrect information were you correcting? I don't remember Kal saying anything that contradicted this:
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    This had nothing to do with behavior and everything to do with superficial physical judgment.
    Even though you're statement is only half-true.

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    If that were the case any natives who were less developed would have been considered "animals" and this was not the case. In fact many still think this way today...

    Good things can be said of virtually every group or civilization on earth. This is unsurprising, given the fact that everyone on earth is descended from the same small tribe that left africa 100,000 years ago. East Asians are such decent, advanced people they are comparable to whites. Unsurprisingly, they only diverged from the White race 40,000 years ago. There is only one group nothing good can be said about, there is only one group completely unrelated to the rest of the human race, and that is the black African. There is enough genetic variation between blacks and non-blacks that any objective scientist, classifying us like they would classify various animal species, would label us different species. On one side humans, on the other blacks. There is enough phenotypic, common sense variation, that again it is an insult to categorize blacks among the human race. They are nothing like us and they never will be, they are worse in every way. Call them orcs, or trolls, devils, or whatever you like–they are not human. - The Road Less Traveled: Blacks Aren’t Human
    I'm not sure what this proves. Blacks were considered animals in large part because of their society - their behavior. From your link:
    Blacks are unique in that when we arrived, they had no written language, no wheel, no architectural works, nothing at all that would indicate they live a human existence. Whereas literature and palaces and cities existed in almost every corner of the earth, from the Incas to the Indians to the Persians to the Chinese to Stonehenge to Ankar Wat in Cambodia — nothing existed in Africa. For the past 100,000 years non-blacks have been spreading across the globe, building pyramids and cities, developing new technology, domesticating animals and crops, covering themselves in finely decorated clothing, and living essentially human lives. Blacks, meanwhile, stayed nearly naked, self-mutilating, technology-less, with no domesticated animals, no written language, no wheel, no stone buildings, no metalworking, nothing.
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    The jury is still out either way, but again animals show nothing and are in the case of human sexuality evidence of nothing.
    Sure they do. They show that homosexual attraction is not unique to humans or simply a chosen sexuality as it exists unchosen in other species. Scientific evidence for choice/not choice in humans is inconclusive though.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think the bottom line is the animal comparison isn't a very good one.
    It is at least an interesting perspective. If such behavior is commonly seen in the animal kingdom, it can't be that abnormal.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    It is at least an interesting perspective. If such behavior is commonly seen in the animal kingdom, it can't be that abnormal.
    Rape is common in some mammal species. It is abnormal among civilized humans, and should remain so.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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