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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't dispute that, I never have. I entertain that it is possible that being homosexual is not a choice, but know that there is no proof of it. The problem I have with this argument is that there are an aweful lot of people out there that think there is conclusive proof that homosexuality has been proven to be a result of genetic and other factors and that "born gay" has been proven conclusivley. You yourself have indicated that by glossing over the "may be" in the summaries of all these studies.
    No. We've debated this lot of times... and I am not talking about anyone but myself. I have consistently stated that we do not know, precisely, how sexual orientation is formed, but the best assumptions from researchers is that it is created by genetics, biology, body chemistry/hormones, and environmental factors... or some combination. This has always been my position.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Higher animals most certainly do make decisions. They also understand loneliness etc that is not instinctual: they can be taught. This line does bring another question to the table though. Why is it animals lower on the scale like alligators who have a brain the size of a marble do not show homosexual behavior?
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    Aheeem let me introduce you to the lesbian whip tail lizard:

    The New Mexico whiptail lizard is a crossbreed of a western whiptail which lives in the desert and the little striped whiptail that favours grasslands. The lizard is a female-only species that reproduces by producing an egg through parthenogenesis. Because the genetic information has already been recombined in meiosis, the offspring is not a perfect clone. Despite being an all female species, the whiptail still engages in "mock mating" with other members of its own species, giving rise to the common nickname "lesbian lizards". A common theory is that this behavior stimulates ovulation, as those who do not "mate" do not lay eggs.

    New Mexico whiptail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Guys... truthfully, I do not adhere to comparing the behaviors and/or states of other species to that of humans.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Guys... truthfully, I do not adhere to comparing the behaviors and/or states of other species to that of humans.
    Well we are just animals, and ultimately when a behavior can be observed in so many other species, it lends credibility to the argument that homosexuality is not abnormal.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Well we are just animals, and ultimately when a behavior can be observed in so many other species, it lends credibility to the argument that homosexuality is not abnormal.
    There are a lot of things animals do, like eat each other.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    There are a lot of things animals do, like eat each other.
    Cannibolism can't exactly be compared to homosexuality.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Well fruit flies aren't too smart:

    Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I'm not sure why the uncommonness of it in "lower" species matters (if it even is uncommon). If there is just one, it's clear that homosexual attraction exists as the result of something other than human choice.
    No evidence exist to support this hypotheses in humans, period. None of the recent studies on twins, genes, DNA or anything else have come to any conclusion or have any evidence to support your statement.

    I said it existed even if rarely in lower life forms. This does not change the question or Kal's and your statement being less than factual.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    His point has nothing to do with behavior vs. appearance. It's about the fact that uneducated characterizations of certain groups are illogical to use as evidence for arguments about those groups.
    Did not read his argument. I was just correcting Kal's information.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Moreover, behavior had a lot to do with why blacks were considered animals. Obviously Europeans made superficial judgments based on skin color, but the "animal" characterization was based in the differences between African and European society and culture.
    If that were the case any natives who were less developed would have been considered "animals" and this was not the case. In fact many still think this way today...

    Good things can be said of virtually every group or civilization on earth. This is unsurprising, given the fact that everyone on earth is descended from the same small tribe that left africa 100,000 years ago. East Asians are such decent, advanced people they are comparable to whites. Unsurprisingly, they only diverged from the White race 40,000 years ago. There is only one group nothing good can be said about, there is only one group completely unrelated to the rest of the human race, and that is the black African. There is enough genetic variation between blacks and non-blacks that any objective scientist, classifying us like they would classify various animal species, would label us different species. On one side humans, on the other blacks. There is enough phenotypic, common sense variation, that again it is an insult to categorize blacks among the human race. They are nothing like us and they never will be, they are worse in every way. Call them orcs, or trolls, devils, or whatever you like–they are not human. - The Road Less Traveled: Blacks Aren’t Human

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It isn't about animals as "model" per se as human behavior. It's about using animals to see if homosexual attraction and behavior is purely the result of human choice/reason; it clearly isn't.
    The jury is still out either way, but again animals show nothing and are in the case of human sexuality evidence of nothing.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Aheeem let me introduce you to the lesbian whip tail lizard:

    The New Mexico whiptail lizard is a crossbreed of a western whiptail which lives in the desert and the little striped whiptail that favours grasslands. The lizard is a female-only species that reproduces by producing an egg through parthenogenesis. Because the genetic information has already been recombined in meiosis, the offspring is not a perfect clone. Despite being an all female species, the whiptail still engages in "mock mating" with other members of its own species, giving rise to the common nickname "lesbian lizards". A common theory is that this behavior stimulates ovulation, as those who do not "mate" do not lay eggs.

    New Mexico whiptail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The species has only females. Did you even bother to read it? LMAO!

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Well we are just animals, and ultimately when a behavior can be observed in so many other species, it lends credibility to the argument that homosexuality is not abnormal.
    No, it doesn't. Different species are in different states of evolution and react to things differently. And, this has nothing to do with whether homosexuality is abnormal.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The species has only females. Did you even bother to read it? LMAO!

    Welcome to the truth.

    Is it homosexual behavior or not?

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