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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    A better example of the point I was making is support of the mentally and physically disabled. Legal disclaimer: I in no way think that we shouldn't support them.
    Your incorrect assumption is that a physically disabled person is unfit from a Darwinian perspective. This is not so. If a disabled person can pass on their genes, then they are fit. The passing of genetic material itself is what defines fitness. It's a different sense than we use the word in every day speech, which is the root of the confusion.

    Fitness in everyday speech is a judgment call. But, evolutionarily speaking, fitness refers to the ability to pass genetic material.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Your incorrect assumption is that a physically disabled person is unfit from a Darwinian perspective. This is not so. If a disabled person can pass on their genes, then they are fit. The passing of genetic material itself is what defines fitness. It's a different sense than we use the word in every day speech, which is the root of the confusion.

    Fitness in everyday speech is a judgment call. But, evolutionarily speaking, fitness refers to the ability to pass genetic material.
    I'm not saying that it is unfit from a Darwinian perspective. I'm saying a person that can not support itself wold be left to die by any other species. Ability to pass a lot of genetic material is also important. Males that do not have the right coloring, right sound, sufficient strength or virility in nature, pass fewer if any genes on to subsequent generations due to their "inferiorities".
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm saying a person that can not support itself wold be left to die by any other species.
    That's what's so great about our species!

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    what are "non-evolutionarily fit" people in your eyes?
    fat, dumb, useless people

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's what's so great about our species!
    I don't disagree.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    fat, dumb, useless people
    Fat and dumb people bother me too, but I don't think anyone will buy that example. Useless will be even more difficult to substantiate.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Fat and dumb people bother me too, but I don't think anyone will buy that example. Useless will be even more difficult to substantiate.
    Actually, neither bother me, but both are not the kind of people you don't want continuing the species. You could add to the list people with genetically passed on diseases, small breasts, small penises, small testicles, skin color not fit for a particular climate, height not practical for environment, etc. All of these traits signify people who are not fit to aid in the survival of the species and yet people are attracted to them. Do they choose to be attracted to the people least likely to help our species survive?

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually, neither bother me, but both are not the kind of people you don't want continuing the species. You could add to the list people with genetically passed on diseases, small breasts, small penises, small testicles, skin color not fit for a particular climate, height not practical for environment, etc. All of these traits signify people who are not fit to aid in the survival of the species and yet people are attracted to them. Do they choose to be attracted to the people least likely to help our species survive?
    It's obvious that other things have taken over for physical attributes in our species.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's obvious that other things have taken over for physical attributes in our species.
    You didn't answer my question. Do they choose to be attracted to the people least likely to help our species survive? Or are you amending your statement and saying that having "benefits for our species" is not a relevant qualification for unchosen sexuality?

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You can't prove anything any more than I can.
    Almost. There is no proof either way, but there is more evidence on the side of people being born gay, straight, or bi (which is pretty much what I said). The studies indicate that likelihoods increase for a person being gay or bi within certain families. This is all nature vs. nurture. You can put your hands in your ears (or over your eyes), and sing "lalala, it's a choice, lalala" all day long but it won't change the fact that a) it most definitely isn't a conscience choice for most people, b) it is most likely, from the evidence that is available, a mix of nature and nurture and c) it doesn't matter anyway, because they are people and homosexuality isn't harmful in and of itself.
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