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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Oh no, no. Economic viability in modern society has taken on a major "fit" role. By artificially supporting those that can not provide for themselves, we've made them marginally acceptable for mating. These policies allow those that are incapable of self support and success to live far beyond what their own abilities would allow, therefore not only allowing the passing of "unfit" genes, but allowing it for a far greater length of time.
    You do not understand evolution, but think you do. This makes it impossible to discuss the topic.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do not understand evolution, but think you do. This makes it impossible to discuss the topic.
    Hmm. Please do school me then. First on evolution, then on survival of the fittest.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Market fundamentalism allowing unfettered evolution to occur in the human race?

    Modern society has negated survival of the fittest by artificially supporting the unfit in so many ways......welfare for example. There are a lot more examples that I know you understand and will pop into your head if you just roll your eyes back for a few seconds and think about it.
    The implications of your statement when explored reveal....



    The funniest part being you don't understand how.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Market fundamentalism allowing unfettered evolution to occur in the human race?



    The implications of your statement when explored reveal....



    The funniest part being you don't understand how.

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    You make a lot of assumptions. I'm not supporting a Eugenic approach, simply acknowledging a truth. Do something other than troll for a change.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Hmm. Please do school me then. First on evolution, then on survival of the fittest.
    Go back to my post with the three points. Read those three points. Understand them.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Go back to my post with the three points. Read those three points. Understand them.
    Get over yourself. Recognize that we have different views on the same facts. Prepare to support your views.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Prepare to support your views.
    You actually make a very good point there. Some people just don't know how to handle themselves in a debate. So you win by default. But Redress's sloppy debate skills do not make your position correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Hmm. Please do school me then. First on evolution, then on survival of the fittest.
    The thing you don't understand about survival of the fittest is what it means in terms of Darwinian theory. "Unfit" genes are the ones that don't get passed on. So, by definition, anybody passing on their genes is "fit." You're making the same mistake as the social darwinists, and that's the sort of ugly thinking that leads to eugenics. Social darwinism has been roundly debunked, and it is a superficial understanding of true evolutionary theory.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You actually make a very good point there. Some people just don't know how to handle themselves in a debate. So you win by default. But Redress's sloppy debate skills do not make your position correct.



    The thing you don't understand about survival of the fittest is what it means in terms of Darwinian theory. "Unfit" genes are the ones that don't get passed on. So, by definition, anybody passing on their genes is "fit." You're making the same mistake as the social darwinists, and that's the sort of ugly thinking that leads to eugenics. Social darwinism has been roundly debunked, and it is a superficial understanding of true evolutionary theory.
    You are slippery sloping his views. Yes, social darwinism was used to promote eugenics and other bad things, but that is not what he is trying to say and his position does not fall into a negative category other than wrong. The reason his idea is wrong is he makes some assumptions based on a misunderstanding of what "survival of the fittest" is(oh how I hate this term and how badly it leads to misunderstandings", and a failure to understand what is or is not a "survival" trait. I explained this fairly well actually.

    For his concept to have any credence, then the rate of passing on genes among those now on welfare would have to be lower without welfare, and there is no evidence this would be the case. They might lead shorter, less fulfilling lives, but they also would be less likely to use birth control and as we can see, people on welfare tend to have more children. More children = more "fit" from an evolutionary standpoint.

    He could very well be right about evolution no longer acting on humans, but his reasoning is entirely wrong. For evolution to work, the environment has to select genes. Humans change the environment by such things as building houses, wearing clothes, carrying umbrellas and dozens and dozens of other acts(note I am not talking global warming, but if you have a house with a furnace, winter is less dangerous to you). This could, potentially, stop or reduce evolutionary effects on humans. However, the short time scale involved since we were able to significantly effect our personal environment is too small to know for sure.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    The choices here are too limited.

    The answer depends on how were raised and was it in a Bible based Church.

    I just heard a Sunday service based on how the Bible tells us that God created Marriage.

    But then we have to look at what the Bible tells us about how Jesus tells us to deal with all kinds of situations.

    I have a younger Brother who is Gay and dying of Aids. How can I hate him, or fault him.

    What I will do is say that it's not for me.

    I have made an error in the past for not making clear that I hate no one, but that doesn't keep me from hating what some people do.

    This world would be a nearly perfect place if everyone would just obey the Golden Rules as I have seen it in 21 different Religions, in nearly the exact same words.

    Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

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