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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Reading this thread makes me want to bang my head against a brick wall.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

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    Reading this thread makes me want to bang my head against a brick wall.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

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    Folks like myself just make sure we're in a padded room first
    Fortunately, I have free access to padded rooms.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

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    You're doing it again. Confusing a state/preference with a behavior. One can be an addict, but not act or CHOOSE to act on that state.
    Oh, I agree, I was closing a loophole.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Why do you dislike those attitudes? Please describe in detail how this dislike was/is formed.
    CC, I'm quite beginning to think that you feel we are not two people having a discussion. It really does appear you consider yourself to be in the role of Professor here.

    As I've said before, I believe there are factors affecting all the choices we make and the people we become. Some of these factors are sub-conscious and some are not. Ultimately, though, we have control over the people we become.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's absurd, mac. You're doing what you did a month ago when you were asked to define "natural". You are not being honest in your debating.
    That's not true at all, and I am being completely honest about how I think. I don't buy that one has no control over how they feel, further: sub-conscious responses are really learned reactions ingrained to the point where they occur without conscious thought.

    We are talking about feelings and desires, things that are inherant or unconscious, things that one cannot control.
    This is absurd. Unless some sort of compulsive disorder is attached, everything that we feel and desire is a result of many hundreds of learned ideas....any of which may be altered along the way.

    You are not stupid... you know this.
    Nor are you, from what I've seen.

    What you are REALLY talking about are behavioral responses to these feelings and/or desires.
    At times I am, at times I am not. When asked about actions I am, when asked about orientation I am not. I fully understand the difference, I simply do not agree with your position that ones orientation other than normal is beyond ones control.

    You are doing this, similar to that past debate, because admitting that one has no choice over their feelings would sink your argument.
    BS, man, sorry.

    Here is the argument in brief:

    1) A person has no choice over what they feel. These are unconscious and inherant emotional reactions, and include enjoyment/disgust of certain flavors, smells, sounds, etc...
    2) A person has a choice over how they respond to these emotions... or whether they respond at all.
    I disagree with 1, and agree with 2.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    CC, I'm quite beginning to think that you feel we are not two people having a discussion. It really does appear you consider yourself to be in the role of Professor here.
    Nope. Just asking you to clarify. You have not yet been able to describe how you choose an emotion, so I am trying to word my questions in such a way as to have you decribe this. You've been dancing around this issue, so I am attempting to word my comments so as you will stop dancing.

    As I've said before, I believe there are factors affecting all the choices we make and the people we become. Some of these factors are sub-conscious and some are not. Ultimately, though, we have control over the people we become.
    So, again, you are saying that we have control over how we respond to these emotions/stimulus. Do you believe that we choose these emotions/stimulus?
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Reading this thread makes me want to bang my head against a brick wall.
    which is worse, this or as if in the "is everyone a little bit gay" thread?
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's not true at all, and I am being completely honest about how I think. I don't buy that one has no control over how they feel, further: sub-conscious responses are really learned reactions ingrained to the point where they occur without conscious thought.
    I don't buy it, simply because you have been avoiding the issue. You claim that you can choose your emotions, yet you offer no evidence of this, nor can you describe the process of how an emotion is formed. Describe exactly how you chose to like a food you like. You can describe eating it, deciding that you liked it and wanted to eat it again. You can describe what it is that you like about it. But you cannot descibe how that initial moment of enjoyment is formed. You are dancing around this.



    This is absurd. Unless some sort of compulsive disorder is attached, everything that we feel and desire is a result of many hundreds of learned ideas....any of which may be altered along the way.
    No, that is inaccurate. Liking or not liking something, at it's essence is an unconscious impulse. The secondary rationalizations and realizations may be responses to learned behaviors/ideas, but the initial impulse is innate and not something you can control.

    Nor are you, from what I've seen.
    This is accurate.

    At times I am, at times I am not. When asked about actions I am, when asked about orientation I am not. I fully understand the difference, I simply do not agree with your position that ones orientation other than normal is beyond ones control.
    This does not fall into the morality piece that we are discussing in the other thread. This is not an opinon, but something factual/logical. You have still never been able to prove that either orientation is not a choice and you have been unable to demonstrate any difference between the feelings that one has between the two orientations. Unless you can demonstrate that the process of emotional attachment is different for gays than it is for straights, your opinion on this matter valueless since it has no substantiation and is not logical.



    BS, man, sorry.
    Nope. I'm right on target.



    I disagree with 1, and agree with 2.
    You can disagree all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that you cannot and have not proven your position. An individual's emotions are innate and not chosen. The response to these emotions can be chosen and altered. This is the issue that you are arguing against and you have been unable to prove that it is incorrect.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    which is worse, this or as if in the "is everyone a little bit gay" thread?
    My head hurts.

    20 years from now we are all going to be disappointed with society that this kind of discussion even happened.
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