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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok, which traits are not chosen and which are? What is the physical limitation of traits? Where do traits reside? Are they physical facts or philosophical constructs? Are traits uncontrollable drivers of day to day human existence? What is the overall impact of said traits?
    Taste is unchosen. Information about location and limitation can be found in the mysterious brain. It's a physical fact; our fashion, food, color, etc. tastes are not constructs. Uncontrollable drivers? Not in the sense that I can chose to eat or wear something against my taste. Impact? It determines what I would prefer to eat, wear, etc.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Eh, I guess people differ with regard to their sexual impulses. Some men and women feel they have to get some, right now, the moment they walk through the door. But generally I'd say the answer to your question is Yes.

    Sexual impulses aren't the same thing as sexual identity/orientation though.
    Regardless of orientation, our sexual impulses are controllable then? Are there Orientations which are not acceptable?
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Taste is unchosen. Information about location and limitation can be found in the mysterious brain. It's a physical fact; our fashion, food, color, etc. tastes are not constructs. Uncontrollable drivers? Not in the sense that I can chose to eat or wear something against my taste. Impact? It determines what I would prefer to eat, wear, etc.
    Says whom? What if any of this is in the least substantiated?
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Says whom? What if any of this is in the least substantiated?
    Says experience. When did you chose to like your favorite color, clothing, art piece, food? This is common sense stuff here, mac.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Regardless of orientation, our sexual impulses are controllable then? Are there Orientations which are not acceptable?
    For the vast majority of people, sexual impulses are controllable. Obviously this is untrue for people like serial rapists/molesters, who are psychopaths.

    I would say pedophilia is socially and legally unacceptable, but it's the act that's illegal, not the orientation.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Says experience. When did you chose to like your favorite color, clothing, art piece, food? This is common sense stuff here, mac.
    Is it....none of these preferences change over time?
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Is it....none of these preferences change over time?
    They can, but for the most part not consciously or willfully. I don't think people "choose" to change their favorite colors, or foods.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Is it....none of these preferences change over time?
    What does change have to do with choice? When did you chose your favorite color, piece of clothing, art piece or food?

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    For the vast majority of people, sexual impulses are controllable. Obviously this is untrue for people like serial rapists/molesters, who are psychopaths.

    I would say pedophilia is socially and legally unacceptable, but it's the act that's illegal, not the orientation.
    Agreed. Sexual impulses in humans are completely controllable. Anyone that can not exercise control over their impulses is considered mentally incapacitated (or sick).

    You consider pedophilia an orientation? How about bestiality?
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Is it....none of these preferences change over time?
    They can. Hence why it's not uncommon to see phases of experimenting during adolescence. However it's not a simple on/off switch, you really don't have any control over the matter.
    You can't reason somebody out of something they were never reasoned into in the first place.

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