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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    This was a research paper I did on the genetics of homosexuality using identical twins for the database. Identical twins have identical DNA ergo if one is homosexual and it is genetic then the other must also be. The research indicates, fairly conclusively, that there is no genetic link to homosexuality.. There is plenty of data to indicate a nurture link to homosexuality but none to link nature to it.
    That is not a research paper, it is an op/ed. Further, it sources Cameron, who is entirely discredited. Lastly, the numbers you cite for homosexuality come from a twins study, not from general population, and I can find no corroboration of that study.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    I'm late to the party, but no, I do not consider homosexuals to be abnormal based solely upon their sexual preference. I'd think that was a pretty obvious answer, but looking at how many pages this poll has generated, I'm presuming that there are a number of people who disagree. That's okay. They are entitled to be utterly wrong.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not a research paper, it is an op/ed. Further, it sources Cameron, who is entirely discredited. Lastly, the numbers you cite for homosexuality come from a twins study, not from general population, and I can find no corroboration of that study.
    I can only assume that you did not read the paper.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I can only assume that you did not read the paper.

    I guess you know nothing of paul Cameron


    • On December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from membership. Early in 1984, all members of the American Psychological Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists" by the APA Board of Directors.5 Cameron has posted an elaborate argument about his expulsion from APA on his website, claiming that he resigned from APA before he was dropped from membership. Like most organizations, however, APA does not allow a member to resign when they are being investigated. And even if Cameron's claims were accepted as true, it would be remarkable that the largest professional organization of psychologists in the United States (and other professional associations, as noted below) went to such lengths to disassociate itself from one individual.
    • At its membership meeting on October 19, 1984, the Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it "formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality."6
    • In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism" and noted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research."7 The resolution formally charged an ASA committee with the task of "critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron." At its August, 1986 meeting, the ASA officially accepted the committee's report and passed the following resolution:
      The American Sociological Association officially and publicly states that Paul Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent misrepresentation of sociological research. Information on this action and a copy of the report by the Committee on the Status of Homosexuals in Sociology, "The Paul Cameron Case," is to be published in Footnotes, and be sent to the officers of all regional and state sociological associations and to the Canadian Sociological Association with a request that they alert their members to Cameron's frequent lecture and media appearances."8
    • In August, 1996, the Canadian Psychological Association adopted the following policy statement:
      The Canadian Psychological Association takes the position that Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism and thus, it formally disassociates itself from the representation and interpretations of scientific literature in his writings and public statements on sexuality.
    • Cameron's credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to "Cameron's sworn statement that 'homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself made misrepresentations to this Court" and that "There has been no fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron" (p.536).9


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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, completely on target point. Let me know what you have spoken to the designer and he has indicated specifically what each part was designed to do. You can link me to his site, too. Further, I would hope that you understand that procreation has nothing to do with sexual orientation... but from your post, that does not seen the case.
    I'm sure the "designer" (what are we in a religious thread all of a sudden?) decided an action that does nothing to be done and desired and the action that does something to not be desired. Are you even listening to yourself here?


    And if you guys would actually come up with an accurate and legitimate definition of EITHER, THAT would be great.
    I'm sure I did that already.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Are you talking, statistically, molten_dragon?
    Yeah.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm sure the "designer" (what are we in a religious thread all of a sudden?) decided an action that does nothing to be done and desired and the action that does something to not be desired. Are you even listening to yourself here?




    I'm sure I did that already.
    Can something not be designed for pleasure? Why "make" a part of the body pleasurable, especially in a sexual way, if it is not to used in a sexual way?
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    “For how you define the word 'abnormal', do you consider gays to be ‘abnormal’?” - Redress

    According to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary, “abnormal” is defined as “deviating from the normal or average”. Since approximately only about 2% of the population is gay then it would seem that--by definition--gay people are “abnormal”.

    However, this is not a value-judgment and should not be misinterpreted to say that gay folks are “bad people”, etc.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Can something not be designed for pleasure? Why "make" a part of the body pleasurable, especially in a sexual way, if it is not to used in a sexual way?
    The better question is what is the purpose of the pleasure. I have always thought that the pleasure was there to get you to partake in the act and nothing else. Though the pleasure is not triggered exactly as such, I still believe that is the only reason for its existence in the formula.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaaaman View Post
    That is a position that I find intolerable and to be a complete cop-out. There are clear 'right' and 'wrongs' in society and this progressive position that is being pushed by you and others is disgusting.

    Much of what is being pushed by progressives is nothing more than the decay of morals and common sense.
    Nope. There are not "clear" rights and wrongs. For example, killing is not always wrong. Each situation must be evaluated individually. Morality is relative.
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