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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, what I am doing is comparing humans to animals. We don't stop at that stage of communicative development, the parrot does. We continue to develop so that our ability to communicate far exceeds any other animals. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
    Let us be clear. Can a parrot possess equivalent language capabilities to a toddler aged human?

    Or are you going to be intellectually dishonest like Blackdog? My guess is he never even watched the end of the video and he is making a huge fool out of himself by pretending that he has.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The fact is that they do.
    No they don't.

    They can't read.
    They can't hold a conversation.
    They can't tell you what a moral concept is.
    They have no understanding of right and wrong.

    No. They don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    How so? A parrot can look at a novel collection of objects, distinguish what is a block and what is green and only count the things in that collection which possess those qualities.
    That has nothing to do with human communication. That is problem solving skill which even great apes, monkeys etc also have. Nothing new here.

    And it was 1 parrot, and he's dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That means that the parrot understood what "green" meant and what "block" meant.
    It meant that he knew they were different. This had nothing at all to do with understanding "color" or "shape" as an abstract concept. Even the video does not say anything like you propose here.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Younger human children, such as two year-olds, would not posses that ability to understand words. You are being willfully ignorant as usual.
    What part of "they will advance to that stage" are you missing? What part of "animals can't advance to that stage" are you missing? Do I have to be clearer?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Because they possess the equivalent communication abilities of human toddlers not human adults. We have already covered this. Now you are just being felicitous because you are butt hurt.
    If you are going to debate, debate but the personal attacks are getting tiresome.

    No they don't as I have shown time and time again.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Let us be clear. Can a parrot possess equivalent language capabilities to a toddler aged human?
    Yes they can but this has nothing to do with our argument of the FACT that animals are NOT human and not even close.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Or are you going to be intellectually dishonest like Blackdog? My guess is he never even watched the end of the video and he is making a huge fool out of himself by pretending that he has.
    Here we go again.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Let us be clear. Can a parrot possess equivalent language capabilities to a toddler aged human?
    First, this is your conclusion, no-one else's. Second, it doesn't matter if it does or doesn't. The human ability to communicate is not limited to toddler level communication.

    Or are you going to be intellectually dishonest like Blackdog? My guess is he never even watched the end of the video and he is making a huge fool out of himself by pretending that he has.
    I believe it's you that's being intellectually dishonest.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No they don't.

    They can't read.
    They can't hold a conversation.
    They can't tell you what a moral concept is.
    They have no understanding of right and wrong.

    No. They don't.
    We are talking about communication abilities. Stick to the topic.

    It meant that he knew they were different. This had nothing at all to do with understanding "color" or "shape" as an abstract concept. Even the video dopes not say anything like you propose here.
    Three year old children do not understand the concept of "color" or "shape" as an abstract concept. As I said, they are equivalant in communication ability.

    What part of "they will advance to that stage" are you missing? What part of "animals can't advance to that stage" are you missing? Do I have to be clearer?
    What part of, "a parrot can possess equivalant communication abilities to a human toddler" are you missing? Do I have to be clearer?

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    We are talking about communication abilities. Stick to the topic.
    Those are all parts of advanced communication.

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    Three year old children do not understand the concept of "color" or "shape" as an abstract concept. As I said, they are equivalant in communication ability.
    I give up.

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    What part of, "a parrot can possess equivalant communication abilities to a human toddler" are you missing? Do I have to be clearer?
    Like I said, I give up.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    First, this is your conclusion, no-one else's. Second, it doesn't matter if it does or doesn't. The human ability to communicate is not limited to toddler level communication.
    No, other people have come to the exact same conclusion.

    http://www.linguistics.pomona.edu/lc...pepperberg.pdf

    Second, it does matter because I am arguing that human language capabilities only become unique after the age of 4. As such, language cannot be used as a distinguishing factor between humans and animals, it can only be used as a distinguishing factor between older humans and animals.

    I believe it's you that's being intellectually dishonest.
    Why? By actually having evidence to support my assertions? By challenging logically fallacious arguments with actual reasoning? By challenging your conceptions with observable facts? Exactly what makes me intellectually dishonest? Do you even know what that means?

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Those are all parts of advanced communication.
    You are intellectually dishonest. You know that I am only referring to the communication capablitlies of young humans, and yet you continually bring up abilities of older humans. Why can't you admit that parrots are capable of the same communciation capabilities as young humans? Why is that concept so terrifying to you?

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No, other people have come to the exact same conclusion.

    http://www.linguistics.pomona.edu/lc...pepperberg.pdf

    Second, it does matter because I am arguing that human language capabilities only become unique after the age of 4. As such, language cannot be used as a distinguishing factor between humans and animals, it can only be used as a distinguishing factor between older humans and animals.
    That's ridiculous. It's an absolutely senseless criteria only useful in giving you some false victory over Blackdog. Let me ask, how old was Alex?

    Why? By actually having evidence to support my assertions? By challenging logically fallacious arguments with actual reasoning? By challenging your conceptions with observable facts? Exactly what makes me intellectually dishonest? Do you even know what that means?
    By making false and senseless assertions.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

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