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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BentWingedAngel View Post
    Abnormal would be something that could be identified at birth... such as a birth defect.
    So a guy that is 8 1/2 feet tall is not "abnormally" tall, or abnormal from the norm at 5'10"? Nope, the guy is abnormal even though it was not noticeable at birth.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Animals and humans are not the same thing.
    All animals are not humans
    All humans are animals...
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    All animals are not humans
    All humans are animals...
    Some humans are more animalistic than others.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What separates us is our ability to reason and understand abstract concepts.
    No. Actually some primates and birds are quite proficient at reasoning. What separates humans from other animals is our ability to generalize. That ability forms the basis of our language, mathematics, and abstract knowledge. We don't have a complete monopoly over that ability either, since African Grey Parrots are capable of categorizing and possess brains that are roughly equivalent to that of a 4 year old human child. The conception that animals can't reason is false and has been disproven numerous times. The only people who make that argument are theologians who find it inconvenient that humans are not quite as distinct from other animals as they feel we should be.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What does any of this have to do with the fact that gay people are abnormally abnormal?
    No. They're not abnormal at all. They just have different life styles and preferences, and any inference of abnormality should be labeled exactly what it is: someone's opinion.

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    No you are absolutely being clear enough. A sociopath knows the difference between right and wrong whether he/she is emotionally detached or not. Animals even when taught not to do something do not understand the full concept outside of conditioned responses taught by humans. Humans alone know right from wrong as a completely moral and emotional concept.

    Animals and humans are not the same thing.
    Right from wrong is also relative. Morality differs from culture to culture. Some things maybe be universal, but the vast majority of the time, it isn't. A sociopath may understand the logical concept of right and wrong, but cannot process such information. They have a mental illness.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No. Actually some primates and birds are quite proficient at reasoning. What separates humans from other animals is our ability to generalize. That ability forms the basis of our language, mathematics, and abstract knowledge. We don't have a complete monopoly over that ability either, since African Grey Parrots are capable of categorizing and possess brains that are roughly equivalent to that of a 4 year old human child. The conception that animals can't reason is false and has been disproven numerous times. The only people who make that argument are theologians who find it inconvenient that humans are not quite as distinct from other animals as they feel we should be.
    Excellent point.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    No. They're not abnormal at all. They just have different life styles and preferences, and any inference of abnormality should be labeled exactly what it is: someone's opinion.
    Different from the norm is abnormal. Just how it is. Doesn't make it good or bad. I am abnormally good looking and intelligent. Not good or bad, just how it is. I have known more gay people than probably anybody (or most at least) on this forum, having lived where I have and worked where I worked. Literally hundreds I would consider people that I knew and got along with. Many of them admitted it wasn't normal, but what is normal anyway? Heterosexuals are normal, but there are all types of them as well that fit into abnormal categories. I think that the problem is one of being PC. Somebody that is mentally challenged is also retarded. But calling somebody retarded is negative now, just as the term abnormal. No biggy... also known as a midget.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Different from the norm is abnormal. Just how it is. Doesn't make it good or bad. I am abnormally good looking and intelligent. Not good or bad, just how it is. I have known more gay people than probably anybody (or most at least) on this forum, having lived where I have and worked where I worked. Literally hundreds I would consider people that I knew and got along with. Many of them admitted it wasn't normal, but what is normal anyway? Heterosexuals are normal, but there are all types of them as well that fit into abnormal categories. I think that the problem is one of being PC. Somebody that is mentally challenged is also retarded. But calling somebody retarded is negative now, just as the term abnormal. No biggy... also known as a midget.
    I think there's a difference between an abnormal trait and an abnormal person. Homosexuality is abnormal, but a homosexual person is not necessarily abnormal as a total person just like being extremely tall is abnormal, but an extremely tall person is not necessarily abnormal as a total person.

    However, if one decides that having a single abnormal trait makes the entire person abnormal, then everyone is abnormal and therefore, everyone, including homosexuals are normal in their abnormality. Nonetheless, it doesn't make sense to me to call an individual abnormal simply because he/she has a single abnormal trait.

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think there's a difference between an abnormal trait and an abnormal person. Homosexuality is abnormal, but a homosexual person is not necessarily abnormal as a total person just like being extremely tall is abnormal, but an extremely tall person is not necessarily abnormal as a total person.

    However, if one decides that having a single abnormal trait makes the entire person abnormal, then everyone is abnormal and therefore, everyone, including homosexuals are normal in their abnormality. Nonetheless, it doesn't make sense to me to call an individual abnormal simply because he/she has a single abnormal trait.
    Good distinction. I can agree with that modification of my statement. Well done.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No. Actually some primates and birds are quite proficient at reasoning. What separates humans from other animals is our ability to generalize. That ability forms the basis of our language, mathematics, and abstract knowledge. We don't have a complete monopoly over that ability either, since African Grey Parrots are capable of categorizing and possess brains that are roughly equivalent to that of a 4 year old human child. The conception that animals can't reason is false and has been disproven numerous times. The only people who make that argument are theologians who find it inconvenient that humans are not quite as distinct from other animals as they feel we should be.
    Animals do not understand the concepts of right and wrong or art etc. They are not "proficient at reasoning" in the way humans are, not even remotely the same. No comparison here. A 4 year old human child does not understand those basic concepts yet either, hence they have no contract rights etc.

    As soon as you can show an animal, any animal that understands stealing is against the law, understand past and future or appreciate a piece of art, you will have a point.

    Your last comment is just ignorance.

    Animals cannot reason or understand abtract concpets as humans do, period.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Different from the norm is abnormal. Just how it is. Doesn't make it good or bad. I am abnormally good looking and intelligent. Not good or bad, just how it is. I have known more gay people than probably anybody (or most at least) on this forum, having lived where I have and worked where I worked. Literally hundreds I would consider people that I knew and got along with. Many of them admitted it wasn't normal, but what is normal anyway? Heterosexuals are normal, but there are all types of them as well that fit into abnormal categories. I think that the problem is one of being PC. Somebody that is mentally challenged is also retarded. But calling somebody retarded is negative now, just as the term abnormal. No biggy... also known as a midget.
    i see what you mean. It's abnormal in the sense that they are only less than 10% of the population. I had interpreted your statement as a moral judgment. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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