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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Not so much. We aren't the only animals that kill for sport.Chimpanzees have been known to kill for reasons other than pure instinct, for example.
    You keep trying to use the exception rather than the rule to support a position that scientifically is not true. Humans are more than just animals.

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Most people who rape and murder are sociopaths and lack any sence of morality. Morals develop with culture and how one is raised. There is no universal standard of behavior, and many people justify absolutely horrifying behavior.
    No most are not "sociopaths" as they only make up 1 to 4 percent of the population. The crime statistics on murder and violent crimes alone show that your assumption "that most" is false. Just because someone justifies or tries to justify bad behavior, this does not make someone a sociopath.


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    There is not likely a single gene responsible but rather many genes which predispose certain individuals towards homosexuality. When deciding what causes certain characteristics in people, it is unwise to limit those reasons to either nature or nurture because likely, it is a mixture of both.
    "There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles. ..." - American Psychological Association - American Psychological Association (APA)

    There is no biological pathway to any kind of gay gene or group of gay gene's.

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    It depends on the individual. As a society, we often try to stick certain groups of people in a category so they can be labeled. People are homosexual for a variety of reasons. Some men, for example may be gay but by looking at them, no one can even tell. Others dress the part. Of course, I can't say for sure what the specific causes are, but many of them have always felt that way.
    I agree.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Just an FYI. Some of you may have noticed that the poll numbers have been changing. This happens quite frequently in any thread concerning gay marriage, gay rights, or homosexuality. SOMEONE comes on and skews the poll by voting MANY times for whatever the anti- position is. I have been tracking this jerk for quite sometime... and I laid down quite an effective trap in this thread for him. I now have his IP address logged and know precisely who he is. I advise him to cease doing this as his ISP may be getting notified of his spamming behavior... amongst other consequences.
    That is just too awsome.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Just an FYI. Some of you may have noticed that the poll numbers have been changing. This happens quite frequently in any thread concerning gay marriage, gay rights, or homosexuality. SOMEONE comes on and skews the poll by voting MANY times for whatever the anti- position is. I have been tracking this jerk for quite sometime... and I laid down quite an effective trap in this thread for him. I now have his IP address logged and know precisely who he is. I advise him to cease doing this as his ISP may be getting notified of his spamming behavior... amongst other consequences.
    Can't guests (nonregistered members) also do such a thing?
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Just an FYI. Some of you may have noticed that the poll numbers have been changing. This happens quite frequently in any thread concerning gay marriage, gay rights, or homosexuality. SOMEONE comes on and skews the poll by voting MANY times for whatever the anti- position is. I have been tracking this jerk for quite sometime... and I laid down quite an effective trap in this thread for him. I now have his IP address logged and know precisely who he is. I advise him to cease doing this as his ISP may be getting notified of his spamming behavior... amongst other consequences.
    Good, that kind of thing just sucks...I like forum polls it gives you an idea how everyone else is thinking but if you have a jerk skewing it for your side or not...what value has that...
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So then, do you agree with all other marriages or even just things that people are allowed to legally do even if they are completely a choice when those things conflict with your religious beliefs? Why or why not?
    I agree with all marriages between a man and a woman and I also agree with civil unions between any consenting adults.

    Those that you don't agree with, would you vote on laws to ban them just because a person could choose to abstain from that particular activity/behavior?
    Those what...marriages? Yes, I would vote against them under the present circumstances.

    If you didn't vote for those things, would you think it okay for others to vote to ban those things based on those things being against their religious beliefs or just personal beliefs and it being a choice?
    Yes. I believe it perfectly normal and acceptable for every citizen to vote his/her conscience. I also believe every citizen has a right to have their beliefs represented in law and governance.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You keep trying to use the exception rather than the rule to support a position that scientifically is not true. Humans are more than just animals.
    What else are we?



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No most are not "sociopaths" as they only make up 1 to 4 percent of the population. The crime statistics on murder and violent crimes alone show that your assumption "that most" is false. Just because someone justifies or tries to justify bad behavior, this does not make someone a sociopath.
    That depends. I doubt that much more than 5% of the population has committed violent crimes, but such a fact is unknowable. I do know that the US has the highest incarceration rate of any other industrialized nation, but nearly half of those people are in prison for non violent crimes.

    i do stand by my conviction that the majority of rapists and murders (particularly repeat offenders) are sociopaths.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post

    "There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles. ..." - American Psychological Association - American Psychological Association (APA)
    That is generally what I've been saying unless I haven't been clear enough. I did say that there is no specific gene that causes homosexuality, but that genetics may play a role in someone's predisposition in becoming homosexual as well as environmental factors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    There is no biological pathway to any kind of gay gene or group of gay gene's.



    I agree.
    Not that scientists have specifically isolated, correct.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Can't guests (nonregistered members) also do such a thing?
    Sure they can. But I set a trap and the person unintentionally revealed who he was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Good, that kind of thing just sucks...I like forum polls it gives you an idea how everyone else is thinking but if you have a jerk skewing it for your side or not...what value has that...
    Yup. It's weak and pathetic. The individual knows that they have no ability to debate their position, so in a feeble attempt to make themselves feel better, they do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yup. It's weak and pathetic. The individual knows that they have no ability to debate their position, so in a feeble attempt to make themselves feel better, they do this.
    Hey! I only voted once!!
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    Re: Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Hey! I only voted once!!
    I know it wasn't you. I may disagree with you, and I may find some of your arguments not necessarily sound, but you are by no means "weak", nor are your arguments pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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