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Aclu

What do you think of the ACLU?

  • The ACLU is awesome

    Votes: 19 43.2%
  • The ACLU sucks

    Votes: 12 27.3%
  • I'm indifferent

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 8 18.2%

  • Total voters
    44
Why can't people just accept fact's, it's hillarious seeing people make claims, and then have those claims be destroyed by multiple links providing evidence.

love your new sig. as if couldn't catch on to what he meant for at least 8 or 9 posts.
 
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You do not know? I will give you a chance here. Look it up. It will save you making yet another faulty argument(Hint, look here: Key Issues | American Civil Liberties Union...oops)

I wouldn't be too proud of that link, that shows that all their issues are simply left wing issues - which is fine if they'll give up the pretense that they're something other than just that. Reforming drug laws? How is that a civil liberty issue? Or abolishing the death penalty? There is no question the death penalty is Constitutional.
 
I wouldn't be too proud of that link, that shows that all their issues are simply left wing issues - which is fine if they'll give up the pretense that they're something other than just that. Reforming drug laws? How is that a civil liberty issue? Or abolishing the death penalty? There is no question the death penalty is Constitutional.

God if that is left wing thank God I am liberal. I thought it was human.
 
I wouldn't be too proud of that link, that shows that all their issues are simply left wing issues - which is fine if they'll give up the pretense that they're something other than just that. Reforming drug laws? How is that a civil liberty issue? Or abolishing the death penalty? There is no question the death penalty is Constitutional.

You did not actually read what is said there did you?

The ACLU Drug Law Reform Project's goal is to end punitive drug policies that cause the widespread violation of constitutional and human rights, as well as unprecedented levels of incarceration.

I never claimed they stood up for all rights, just as I never claimed the NRA does. I think both do good works in the areas the focus on.
 
God if that is left wing thank God I am liberal. I thought it was human.
I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal. I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.
 
I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal.

That is not liberals either, unless you plan on taking credit for all the right wing fringe nuts.

I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.

The death penalty does nothing for victims except possible minor emotional release.
 
I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal. I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.

Nice comparison. I am happy to be liberal because, as you said, those humanitarian issues appear to be more liberal. You are apparently happy to not be liberal because of something a few dumbasses said. That's not my problem. You can walk through a trailer park of rednecks and find just as many blasphemous and outrageous statements from the conservative base as well.

And no, the death penalty was not what I was specifically referring to. I am not really active on the issue of capital punishment, but as a rule of thumb I think it is a bad idea to put anyone to death when you cannot be 100% sure he/she committed the crime (which is often not the case).
 
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I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal. I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.

Just playing a bit of devil's advocate here...how exactly are drug laws Constitutional?
 
I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal. I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.

And when conservatives bomb abortion clinics I'm glad I'm not a conservative. See anyone can silly statements, now can we stop this.

And some people have the opinion that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment, or that since our justice system is imperfect that anything that permanent is too dangerous to have as a punishment. Both legitimate reasons to be against the death penalty.
 
I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal. I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.


Even when the victim was a victim of the state and put on death row?



Supreme Court: Exonerated inmate doesn’t get $14 million



WASHINGTON — An ideologically divided Supreme Court overturned a $14 million judgment given to a former death row inmate who was convicted of murder after New Orleans prosecutors withheld evidence in his trial.
The court’s five conservative-leaning justices, in their first ideological victory of the year, said the New Orleans district attorney’s office should not be punished for not providing specific training to young prosecutors on Brady rights, which dictate when to turn over evidence to a suspect’s lawyer that could prove their innocence.


Supreme Court: Exonerated inmate doesn’t get $14 million - BostonHerald.com
 
You did not actually read what is said there did you?
I did read it. "Cause widespread violation of constitutional and human rights" actually has substance to you? You could make that same claim about any criminal law. So, if a police officer scrupulously observes constitutional protections will the ACLU defend him if some criminal tries to sue him? My point is that the ACLU is just a left wing lobby, but instead of using the legislative process, they abuse the judicial process. Any claims about supporting the Constitution are pure spin.



I never claimed they stood up for all rights, just as I never claimed the NRA does. I think both do good works in the areas the focus on.
But, again, it the National Rifle Association. It's narrow focus is in it's name, unlike the ACLU.
 
I did read it. "Cause widespread violation of constitutional and human rights" actually has substance to you? You could make that same claim about any criminal law. So, if a police officer scrupulously observes constitutional protections will the ACLU defend him if some criminal tries to sue him? My point is that the ACLU is just a left wing lobby, but instead of using the legislative process, they abuse the judicial process. Any claims about supporting the Constitution are pure spin.

I suggest you look at the cases they discuss.

But, again, it the National Rifle Association. It's narrow focus is in it's name, unlike the ACLU.

So you do not like the ACLU because you feel that they do not entirely live up to their name? Do you bitch about when the National Rifle Association defends handguns?
 
There's the occasional position the ACLU takes that doesn't subvert the Constititon, then there's the nine other cases where their goal is a curtailment of individual liberties.

Overall, they suck.
 
There's the occasional position the ACLU takes that doesn't subvert the Constititon, then there's the nine other cases where their goal is a curtailment of individual liberties.

Overall, they suck.

You should be able to easily show us some of those cases where they seek to curtail individual liberties since there are so many of them.
 
How did the Mojave cross violate your civil liberties? Yeah, good thing we have a group protecting us from such offensive things.

Answer:

It does not. The presumption that allowing a religious symbol to be built on public land with public funds (?) is "establishing" a religion or any sort of preferential treatment towards a religion is absurd.

What such monuments do is commerate the people's participation in America's history and it reflects something of those people.

Was that cross a followed with Congressional legislation requiring people wear cross lapel pins? No. The Congress didn't even require anyone to wear happy lapel pins.

The ACLU doesn't care about the Constitution, it has a political agenda itfollows, and with it's financial backing it can and has compelled compliance to their agenda without any judicial rulings at all. Threaten to sue someone and let them know it's going to cost them millions to fight it, and many organizations fold.

The ACLU does not protect the citizens gun rights. Period.

The ACLU does not defend the restauranteur's freedom to allow smoking in his private place of business.

The ACLU does not defend man's right to protect his unborn child from harm.

It's a predominantly left wing group that has warped the direction of America.
 
That is not liberals either, unless you plan on taking credit for all the right wing fringe nuts.
Doesn't really matter if I "take credit" for them or not. How many threads are started here pretty much saying "All conservatives are terrorists, KKK, sociopaths, listen to Glenn Beck, etc."? Granted, with Troubador gone, that may actually happen somewhat less.

Of course you're right though, I know not all liberals believe as I characterized, but when I do see posts like that, I am genuinely happy that I don't share that view point. Besides, I was just responding to Whysoserious' comment about why he's grateful to be a liberal with why I'm grateful I'm not.

The death penalty does nothing for victims except possible minor emotional release.
It may seem minor to you, but I doubt it is to them. Imagine somebody murdering somebody you love, they're caught, tried and sentenced to prison. Wouldn't you resent the fact that the bastard is still alive, breathing, laughing, while your loved one is 6 feet under? At least the DP puts the criminal on the same level he put his victim.
 
You should be able to easily show us some of those cases where they seek to curtail individual liberties since there are so many of them.

Roe v Wade - ended the lives of millions of Americans, thereby ending their civil liberties.

Boy Scouts of America v. Dale - The Boy Scouts were forced to re-hire a homoexual scoutmaster. Therefore, the civil liberties of the Boy Scouts, a private organization to direct their hiring policies, were violated. No person has any "right" to a job or position, and hence Dale had no standing in case. There are millions of Boy Scouts in America.

Jones v. Mayer Ending discrimination by controlling what a man does with his property destroyed the civil rights of every American to control his assets. Pure and simple, that one.
 
Roe v Wade - ended the lives of millions of Americans, thereby ending their civil liberties.

Boy Scouts of America v. Dale - The Boy Scouts were forced to re-hire a homoexual scoutmaster. Therefore, the civil liberties of the Boy Scouts, a private organization to direct their hiring policies, were violated. No person has any "right" to a job or position, and hence Dale had no standing in case. There are millions of Boy Scouts in America.

Jones v. Mayer Ending discrimination by controlling what a man does with his property destroyed the civil rights of every American to control his assets. Pure and simple, that one.

That is an interesting spin on the right to privacy and discrimination cases.

Edit: I am not seeing the ACLU had a hand in Roe V Wade.
 
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You think John V Mayer was a bad thing? Unless you think racial discrimination is a good idea I fail to see how you could have a problem with that ruling.
 
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You think John V Mayer was a bad thing? Unless you think racial discrimination is a good idea I fail to see how you could have a problem with that ruling.

The government doesn't have the authority under the Constitution to impose race-based definitions on what is and what is not a sanctioned business transaction.

A private party should never be denied the freedom to choose who he does business with.

You people have seriously skewed viewpoints if you're demanding people be denied their freedom to choose to do business with someone out of one side of your mouth while the other side of your mouth is demanding that woman be given the freedom to murder unborn babies.
 
That's debatable.

No, the debate just ended. Life begins at conception and only weasels attempt to argue otherwise to protect their preordained political positions. The biology says the fetus is a living entity from conception, following it's own predetermined path.
 
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