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Aclu

What do you think of the ACLU?

  • The ACLU is awesome

    Votes: 19 43.2%

  • The ACLU sucks

    Votes: 12 27.3%

  • I'm indifferent

    Votes: 5 11.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 8 18.2%
  • Total voters
    44
X Factor said:
He said it was "not permissible", of course he has to admit that much, but that's an entirely different thing that stating flat out that it was wrong.
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You realize how weak your comment here is?
 
Redress said:
It's a first amendment question. It is a valid first amendment question.
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Yes, the ACLU is all about freedom of expression so long as it's not religious expression.

Now, go back to the post I quoted. Did I refer to this case, or was I talking about the ACLU in total?
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Do you agree with the ACLU's decision to file suit to have the Mojave cross removed?
 
Are you going to blame the entire media for the theft? After all, if they didn't cover the case, the cross probably wouldn't have been stolen.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think hate crimes are stupid.

But, you have to make a case that the victim was targeted BECAUSE of his or her race. In this case, the woman who was the victim was transgendered so there might be a basis for hate crimes here. But I hardly think transgender individuals are people that conservatives generally stick up for.
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Did you participate in the McDonalds thread? The conservatives did stick up for her for the most part.
Personally I am against all hate crime laws. A crime is a crime. You can't get any tougher than the death penality. Also, to prosecute for a hate crime, you are prosecuting a person for his thoughts and not just his actions.
 
X Factor said:
Yes, the ACLU is all about freedom of expression so long as it's not religious expression.
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Actually, the ACLU has on numerous occasions defended christian expression. Nice try, but fail.

Do you agree with the ACLU's decision to file suit to have the Mojave cross removed?
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That does not have, for me, a simple yes or no answer:

Would I have filed such a suit? No.

Do I think the suit was inappropriate? No.

Do I disagree with the SCOTUS decision? Not sure, have not read it, probably not though.

The thing with the ACLU is they will take pretty much any case that fits within the realm of what they are about, whether the people are good or bad, the line crossed is just barely or by a mile. A religious display on government land does raise legitimate questions from a first amendment standpoint and the establishment aspect.
 
Barbbtx said:
Did you participate in the McDonalds thread? The conservatives did stick up for her for the most part.
Personally I am against all hate crime laws. A crime is a crime. You can't get any tougher than the death penality. Also, to prosecute for a hate crime, you are prosecuting a person for his thoughts and not just his actions.
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Alfons used the McDonald's example in an attempt to show that somehow the ACLU doesn't care when racist actions are perpetrated against whites (which is a stupid assertion as there is no evidence that the incident was motivated by race), and that this somehow means that the ACLU is uber-liberal and and anti-conservative. I was just trying to dispel that notion, is all.
 
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X Factor said:
Wow, what tepid "condemnation" that is. I call that 'lip service' (and not the good kind either...ahem...sorry, couldn't resist).
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What would satisfy you? "We want the thieves head on pike and his family sent to the salt mines"? The ACLU clearly stated the cross shouldn't have been stolen. That is as clearcut a statement you are ever going to get from a group of lawyers.
 
rathi said:
Are you going to blame the entire media for the theft? After all, if they didn't cover the case, the cross probably wouldn't have been stolen.
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Well hell's bells, lets go back even further and suggest that if the cross hadn't been erected in public land in the first place, theft would never have occurred. This is basically the reverse of the Pastor Jones argument all over again.
 
Redress said:
You realize how weak your comment here is?
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What? He chose his words deliberately, basically stating nothing more than a fact that it was impermissible (which it technically was) but not actually comdeming the act. Shoot, the dang thing is probably mounted like deer antlers and hanging on the wall in his office. (ok, not really)
 
Redress said:
Actually, the ACLU has on numerous occasions defended christian expression. Nice try, but fail.



That does not have, for me, a simple yes or no answer:

Would I have filed such a suit? No.

Do I think the suit was inappropriate? No.

Do I disagree with the SCOTUS decision? Not sure, have not read it, probably not though.

The thing with the ACLU is they will take pretty much any case that fits within the realm of what they are about, whether the people are good or bad, the line crossed is just barely or by a mile. A religious display on government land does raise legitimate questions from a first amendment standpoint and the establishment aspect.
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Could you cite a couple of those occaisions where they stood for christian expression...
 
Barbbtx said:
Don't you think they would have looked a teeny tiny bit ridiculous if they had fought against the protest?
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Yep, it would've been super-ironic, just like if Fox News did a segment on media bias...oh, wait :mrgreen:
 
rathi said:
What would satisfy you? "We want the thieves head on pike and his family sent to the salt mines"? The ACLU clearly stated the cross shouldn't have been stolen. That is as clearcut a statement you are ever going to get from a group of lawyers.
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See my post #84.

StillBallin75 said:
Well hell's bells, lets go back even further and suggest that if the cross hadn't been erected in public land in the first place, theft would never have occurred. This is basically the reverse of the Pastor Jones argument all over again.
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Really? Seems like it lasted for 70 years in that exact same spot.
 
X Factor said:
See my post #84.



Really? Seems like it lasted for 70 years in that exact same spot.
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I just want to shed light on this whole debate on who to blame when it comes to a whole chain of events. If you wanna blame ACLU, I get to blame Pastor Jones for what happened to those NATO personnel in Afghanistan, agreed? :D
 
StillBallin75 said:
I just want to shed light on this whole debate on who to blame when it comes to a whole chain of events. If you wanna blame ACLU, I get to blame Pastor Jones for what happened to those NATO personnel in Afghanistan, agreed? :D
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Clearly, the only reasonable way to answer this is...oh look over there!...Sleestacks!

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:mrgreen:
 
Redress said:
If believing that civil liberties are important makes me a far left liberal, I accept the tag whole heartedly. Insulting people for standing up for personal liberty is hilarious.
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the ACLU is rather narrow minded when it comes to standing up for personal liberty

owning a gun
associating with whom you want to associate with
keeping what you make

are all important liberties that the ACLU tends to ignore
 
TurtleDude said:
the ACLU is rather narrow minded when it comes to standing up for personal liberty

owning a gun
associating with whom you want to associate with
keeping what you make

are all important liberties that the ACLU tends to ignore
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Other advocacy groups make up for the difference.
 
TurtleDude said:
the ACLU is rather narrow minded when it comes to standing up for personal liberty

owning a gun
associating with whom you want to associate with
keeping what you make

are all important liberties that the ACLU tends to ignore
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The NRA has a rather narrow focus as well. Do you hold that against them?
 
Redress said:
The NRA has a rather narrow focus as well. Do you hold that against them?
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The NRA is very specific to one right, the right to bear arms. Supposedly the ACLU is the protector of all civil liberties, isn't it?
 
Why can't people just accept fact's, it's hillarious seeing people make claims, and then have those claims be destroyed by multiple links providing evidence.
 
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