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    5 10.87%
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Did you participate in the McDonalds thread? The conservatives did stick up for her for the most part.
    Personally I am against all hate crime laws. A crime is a crime. You can't get any tougher than the death penality. Also, to prosecute for a hate crime, you are prosecuting a person for his thoughts and not just his actions.
    Alfons used the McDonald's example in an attempt to show that somehow the ACLU doesn't care when racist actions are perpetrated against whites (which is a stupid assertion as there is no evidence that the incident was motivated by race), and that this somehow means that the ACLU is uber-liberal and and anti-conservative. I was just trying to dispel that notion, is all.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 04-29-11 at 12:13 AM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Wow, what tepid "condemnation" that is. I call that 'lip service' (and not the good kind either...ahem...sorry, couldn't resist).
    What would satisfy you? "We want the thieves head on pike and his family sent to the salt mines"? The ACLU clearly stated the cross shouldn't have been stolen. That is as clearcut a statement you are ever going to get from a group of lawyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Are you going to blame the entire media for the theft? After all, if they didn't cover the case, the cross probably wouldn't have been stolen.
    Well hell's bells, lets go back even further and suggest that if the cross hadn't been erected in public land in the first place, theft would never have occurred. This is basically the reverse of the Pastor Jones argument all over again.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You realize how weak your comment here is?
    What? He chose his words deliberately, basically stating nothing more than a fact that it was impermissible (which it technically was) but not actually comdeming the act. Shoot, the dang thing is probably mounted like deer antlers and hanging on the wall in his office. (ok, not really)
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually, the ACLU has on numerous occasions defended christian expression. Nice try, but fail.



    That does not have, for me, a simple yes or no answer:

    Would I have filed such a suit? No.

    Do I think the suit was inappropriate? No.

    Do I disagree with the SCOTUS decision? Not sure, have not read it, probably not though.

    The thing with the ACLU is they will take pretty much any case that fits within the realm of what they are about, whether the people are good or bad, the line crossed is just barely or by a mile. A religious display on government land does raise legitimate questions from a first amendment standpoint and the establishment aspect.
    Could you cite a couple of those occaisions where they stood for christian expression...

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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Could you cite a couple of those occaisions where they stood for christian expression...
    More than a couple, here you go:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059445484

    How winston came up with that list so fast I have no idea
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 04-29-11 at 12:23 AM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well if you consider the ACLU left wing

    ACLU Tells High School to Allow Students to Protest ACLU at Football Game



    ACLU Tells High School to Allow Students to Protest ACLU at Football Game | American Civil Liberties Union
    Don't you think they would have looked a teeny tiny bit ridiculous if they had fought against the protest?
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Don't you think they would have looked a teeny tiny bit ridiculous if they had fought against the protest?
    Yep, it would've been super-ironic, just like if Fox News did a segment on media bias...oh, wait
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Could you cite a couple of those occaisions where they stood for christian expression...
    ACLU Supports Students' Right of Religious Freedom


    ACLU Supports Students' Right of Religious Freedom | ACLU - Colorado

    ACLU-TN Successfully Advocates On Behalf Of Student Preachers

    ACLU-TN Successfully Advocates On Behalf Of Student Preachers | American Civil Liberties Union

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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Don't you think they would have looked a teeny tiny bit ridiculous if they had fought against the protest?
    But the left wing is oppressive!


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