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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Rathi beat me to it. The case drew national attention,something it had not had beforehand. You have presented a grand total of zero evidence to back your case. Sherlock would be laughing at your case.
    Sometimes things are exactly what they appear to be. That cross is probably in some ACLU execs office right now.

    What exactly does this have to do with anything? I have not condemned the theft nor made a plea for it's return either. Am I now a suspect?
    I don't know. Does a cross in the middle of the desert commemorating WWI vets offend you?


    Logic, it's a good thing to use before you post.
    Cross in desert for 70 years ---> ACLU wants it gone ---> Now the cross is gone. What exactly is the failure in my logic?
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    Blaming the ACLU for what happened to the Mojave Cross makes less sense than blaming Pastor Jones for **** going on in Afghanistan. At least in the latter case a causal relationship has been established.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    ACLU fights only for minuscule minorities and against 90 % majority!
    That's the best part of the organization.
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Sometimes things are exactly what they appear to be. That cross is probably in some ACLU execs office right now.

    I don't know. Does a cross in the middle of the desert commemorating WWI vets offend you?


    Cross in desert for 70 years ---> ACLU wants it gone ---> Now the cross is gone. What exactly is the failure in my logic?
    Let's see. Cross is desert for 70 years. Then cross gets national exposure(hint: this is a change in circumstances). Some one takes the cross. Who to blame? Well, if you don't care to think about it, you simply blame those who filed suit against it. However, if you do think about it, you realize that this is a stupid assumption because of the ACLU was going to do things like this, there would be a long history of it, which there is not.

    I realize you have a need to disparage any liberal group, but making charges that even those who have investigated it are not making simply because you want it to be true is not just poor debate tactic, it is the extremely low tactic of trying to smear your opponent. I understand, you are unable to actually argue against the ACLU on it's merits, so you have to go the cheap route, but it is not working.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: Aclu

    I have some problems with the ACLU: they're pretty much silent on gun rights, overzealous with nativity scenes, and that whole Mojave Cross thing kind of pissed me off, but overall, I think that they have done a great job of defending most civil liberties, particularly freedom of speech and criminal rights. They recognize that this is a country based on laws, not simple voting majorities, and they work to defend the rights of people who are unpopular and need the protection of the rule of law. I think that this outweighs their shortcomings.
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Did the ACLU condemn the theft or make a plea for it's return?
    "However you feel about the cross, this was not permissible and should not have been done," said Peter Eliasberg, an attorney for the ACLU of Southern California, which has fought against the monument in court."

    Mojave Desert cross, focus of long legal battle, is stolen - Los Angeles Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Blaming the ACLU for what happened to the Mojave Cross makes less sense than blaming Pastor Jones for **** going on in Afghanistan. At least in the latter case a causal relationship has been established.
    If the ACLU hadn't filed it's bullsht lawsuit, the cross would likely still be there. Even Redress has to admit this much.
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I have some problems with the ACLU: they're pretty much silent on gun rights, overzealous with nativity scenes, and that whole Mojave Cross thing kind of pissed me off, but overall, I think that they have done a great job of defending most civil liberties, particularly freedom of speech and criminal rights. They recognize that this is a country based on laws, not simple voting majorities, and they work to defend the rights of people who are unpopular and need the protection of the rule of law. I think that this outweighs their shortcomings.
    I assume this is because the extent to which "civil liberties" exist is pretty subjective. Some definitions are nebulous and vague on issues like gun rights, etc.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Just because they condemn both right and left wing does not make them communist..
    its that a strong majority of their members claim to be far left does make them close

    that's why more than a few prosecutors and conservatives call the ACLU the "American Communist Lawyers Union" or Aethist communist Lobbying Union or "American Criminals Love Us"



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