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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal. I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.

    Even when the victim was a victim of the state and put on death row?



    Supreme Court: Exonerated inmate doesn’t get $14 million



    WASHINGTON — An ideologically divided Supreme Court overturned a $14 million judgment given to a former death row inmate who was convicted of murder after New Orleans prosecutors withheld evidence in his trial.
    The court’s five conservative-leaning justices, in their first ideological victory of the year, said the New Orleans district attorney’s office should not be punished for not providing specific training to young prosecutors on Brady rights, which dictate when to turn over evidence to a suspect’s lawyer that could prove their innocence.


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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You did not actually read what is said there did you?
    I did read it. "Cause widespread violation of constitutional and human rights" actually has substance to you? You could make that same claim about any criminal law. So, if a police officer scrupulously observes constitutional protections will the ACLU defend him if some criminal tries to sue him? My point is that the ACLU is just a left wing lobby, but instead of using the legislative process, they abuse the judicial process. Any claims about supporting the Constitution are pure spin.



    I never claimed they stood up for all rights, just as I never claimed the NRA does. I think both do good works in the areas the focus on.
    But, again, it the National Rifle Association. It's narrow focus is in it's name, unlike the ACLU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I did read it. "Cause widespread violation of constitutional and human rights" actually has substance to you? You could make that same claim about any criminal law. So, if a police officer scrupulously observes constitutional protections will the ACLU defend him if some criminal tries to sue him? My point is that the ACLU is just a left wing lobby, but instead of using the legislative process, they abuse the judicial process. Any claims about supporting the Constitution are pure spin.
    I suggest you look at the cases they discuss.

    But, again, it the National Rifle Association. It's narrow focus is in it's name, unlike the ACLU.
    So you do not like the ACLU because you feel that they do not entirely live up to their name? Do you bitch about when the National Rifle Association defends handguns?
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    Re: Aclu

    There's the occasional position the ACLU takes that doesn't subvert the Constititon, then there's the nine other cases where their goal is a curtailment of individual liberties.

    Overall, they suck.

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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    There's the occasional position the ACLU takes that doesn't subvert the Constititon, then there's the nine other cases where their goal is a curtailment of individual liberties.

    Overall, they suck.
    You should be able to easily show us some of those cases where they seek to curtail individual liberties since there are so many of them.
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    How did the Mojave cross violate your civil liberties? Yeah, good thing we have a group protecting us from such offensive things.
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    It does not. The presumption that allowing a religious symbol to be built on public land with public funds (?) is "establishing" a religion or any sort of preferential treatment towards a religion is absurd.

    What such monuments do is commerate the people's participation in America's history and it reflects something of those people.

    Was that cross a followed with Congressional legislation requiring people wear cross lapel pins? No. The Congress didn't even require anyone to wear happy lapel pins.

    The ACLU doesn't care about the Constitution, it has a political agenda itfollows, and with it's financial backing it can and has compelled compliance to their agenda without any judicial rulings at all. Threaten to sue someone and let them know it's going to cost them millions to fight it, and many organizations fold.

    The ACLU does not protect the citizens gun rights. Period.

    The ACLU does not defend the restauranteur's freedom to allow smoking in his private place of business.

    The ACLU does not defend man's right to protect his unborn child from harm.

    It's a predominantly left wing group that has warped the direction of America.

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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not liberals either, unless you plan on taking credit for all the right wing fringe nuts.
    Doesn't really matter if I "take credit" for them or not. How many threads are started here pretty much saying "All conservatives are terrorists, KKK, sociopaths, listen to Glenn Beck, etc."? Granted, with Troubador gone, that may actually happen somewhat less.

    Of course you're right though, I know not all liberals believe as I characterized, but when I do see posts like that, I am genuinely happy that I don't share that view point. Besides, I was just responding to Whysoserious' comment about why he's grateful to be a liberal with why I'm grateful I'm not.

    The death penalty does nothing for victims except possible minor emotional release.
    It may seem minor to you, but I doubt it is to them. Imagine somebody murdering somebody you love, they're caught, tried and sentenced to prison. Wouldn't you resent the fact that the bastard is still alive, breathing, laughing, while your loved one is 6 feet under? At least the DP puts the criminal on the same level he put his victim.
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You should be able to easily show us some of those cases where they seek to curtail individual liberties since there are so many of them.
    Roe v Wade - ended the lives of millions of Americans, thereby ending their civil liberties.

    Boy Scouts of America v. Dale - The Boy Scouts were forced to re-hire a homoexual scoutmaster. Therefore, the civil liberties of the Boy Scouts, a private organization to direct their hiring policies, were violated. No person has any "right" to a job or position, and hence Dale had no standing in case. There are millions of Boy Scouts in America.

    Jones v. Mayer Ending discrimination by controlling what a man does with his property destroyed the civil rights of every American to control his assets. Pure and simple, that one.

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    Re: Aclu

    How can you end lives that havent begun?

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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Roe v Wade - ended the lives of millions of Americans, thereby ending their civil liberties.

    Boy Scouts of America v. Dale - The Boy Scouts were forced to re-hire a homoexual scoutmaster. Therefore, the civil liberties of the Boy Scouts, a private organization to direct their hiring policies, were violated. No person has any "right" to a job or position, and hence Dale had no standing in case. There are millions of Boy Scouts in America.

    Jones v. Mayer Ending discrimination by controlling what a man does with his property destroyed the civil rights of every American to control his assets. Pure and simple, that one.
    That is an interesting spin on the right to privacy and discrimination cases.

    Edit: I am not seeing the ACLU had a hand in Roe V Wade.
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