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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do not know? I will give you a chance here. Look it up. It will save you making yet another faulty argument(Hint, look here: Key Issues | American Civil Liberties Union...oops)
    X's point was that the ACLU, given its name, should defend all civil liberties including gun rights, not just the ones that it chooses.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Why can't people just accept fact's, it's hillarious seeing people make claims, and then have those claims be destroyed by multiple links providing evidence.
    love your new sig. as if couldn't catch on to what he meant for at least 8 or 9 posts.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do not know? I will give you a chance here. Look it up. It will save you making yet another faulty argument(Hint, look here: Key Issues | American Civil Liberties Union...oops)
    I wouldn't be too proud of that link, that shows that all their issues are simply left wing issues - which is fine if they'll give up the pretense that they're something other than just that. Reforming drug laws? How is that a civil liberty issue? Or abolishing the death penalty? There is no question the death penalty is Constitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I wouldn't be too proud of that link, that shows that all their issues are simply left wing issues - which is fine if they'll give up the pretense that they're something other than just that. Reforming drug laws? How is that a civil liberty issue? Or abolishing the death penalty? There is no question the death penalty is Constitutional.
    God if that is left wing thank God I am liberal. I thought it was human.
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I wouldn't be too proud of that link, that shows that all their issues are simply left wing issues - which is fine if they'll give up the pretense that they're something other than just that. Reforming drug laws? How is that a civil liberty issue? Or abolishing the death penalty? There is no question the death penalty is Constitutional.
    You did not actually read what is said there did you?

    The ACLU Drug Law Reform Project's goal is to end punitive drug policies that cause the widespread violation of constitutional and human rights, as well as unprecedented levels of incarceration.
    I never claimed they stood up for all rights, just as I never claimed the NRA does. I think both do good works in the areas the focus on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    God if that is left wing thank God I am liberal. I thought it was human.
    I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal. I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal.
    That is not liberals either, unless you plan on taking credit for all the right wing fringe nuts.

    I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.
    The death penalty does nothing for victims except possible minor emotional release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal. I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.
    Nice comparison. I am happy to be liberal because, as you said, those humanitarian issues appear to be more liberal. You are apparently happy to not be liberal because of something a few dumbasses said. That's not my problem. You can walk through a trailer park of rednecks and find just as many blasphemous and outrageous statements from the conservative base as well.

    And no, the death penalty was not what I was specifically referring to. I am not really active on the issue of capital punishment, but as a rule of thumb I think it is a bad idea to put anyone to death when you cannot be 100% sure he/she committed the crime (which is often not the case).
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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal. I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.
    Just playing a bit of devil's advocate here...how exactly are drug laws Constitutional?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Aclu

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I understand how you feel, I really do. When liberals bash our military members, accuse them of being imperialistic war criminals and accuse the US of being the great evil in the world, from the depth of my soul, I'm grateful I'm not a liberal. I absolutely support the death penalty (if that's specifically what you were referring to) because my humanity dictates I feel for the victim over the offender, but that's just me.
    And when conservatives bomb abortion clinics I'm glad I'm not a conservative. See anyone can silly statements, now can we stop this.

    And some people have the opinion that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment, or that since our justice system is imperfect that anything that permanent is too dangerous to have as a punishment. Both legitimate reasons to be against the death penalty.
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