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Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

Is it OK for Blacks to Bash Whites for Comedy Purposes?

  • Yes

    Votes: 54 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 16 22.9%
  • Total voters
    70
Mason66 said:
Nobody that is alive today has been affected by slavery. If there is I would like to meet him/her.

How is slavery still with us?
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It is still with us... Like he said, if it didn't happen this country would be mostly white, except for African immigrants and their decedents. African immigrants and African Americans are very different, two separate cultures.

The legacy of our Native American history is also reflected in American society and culture...
 
Mason66 said:
Nobody that is alive today has been affected by slavery. If there is I would like to meet him/her.

How is slavery still with us?
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Would you also say that nobody alive today has been affected by the Revolutionary War and the Enlightenment?
 
Mason66 said:
Really, you hear people talking about the revolutionary war? The war?
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Yes... I hear people talking about the revolution, the tea party, and we need another revolution.
 
theplaydrive said:
The problem is that you're calling it an excuse when it's actually an explanation of the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and all historical racism in the U.S.. Those explanations are no more excuses than someone saying the Revolutionary War and the Enlightenment have left a legacy in our current society.
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I have always felt that people use the word excuse like it's a derogatory... even when I was a little. I remember going to class late and the teacher would ask, "What's your excuse?" And I'd think wtf, I don't really have an excuse. I have an explanation.
 
SheWolf said:
Yes... I hear people talking about the revolution, the tea party, and we need another revolution.
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by tea party, I mean the Boston tea party...
 
I was actually watching some South Park... Jonas Brothers are on it.
 
SheWolf said:
I have always felt that people use the word excuse like it's a derogatory... even when I was a little. I remember going to class late and the teacher would ask, "What's your excuse?" And I'd think wtf, I don't really have an excuse. I have an explanation.
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Yeah. I'm always annoyed when people treat explanations as excuses. It pretty much means that they just don't want to hear what they don't want to deal with.
 
theplaydrive said:
The problem is that you're calling it an excuse when it's actually an explanation of the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and all historical racism in the U.S.. Those explanations are no more excuses than someone saying the Revolutionary War and the Enlightenment have left a legacy in our current society.
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I don't want to keep going over the same ground.

It is used as an explanation for somebody that doesn't want to get out there and do what they need to to get ahead. How does slavery explain that behaviour.

I happen to be Jewish. Should I use the holocaust as an explanation for anything negative in my life? Maybe we should go back further and I should blame the Egyptians.

If I fail at a business or anything I don't say it is because the germans killed millions.

I think what you are saying is that as a group the blacks are just weak. Nothing happened to them that had not happened to the jews many times.

There was aposter on another board that told me that he was denied a business deal because he was black. He couldn't tell me exactly what happened to make him think that.

Maybe they just thought he was an ass.
 
Mason66 said:
I don't want to keep going over the same ground.

It is used as an explanation for somebody that doesn't want to get out there and do what they need to to get ahead. How does slavery explain that behaviour.

I happen to be Jewish. Should I use the holocaust as an explanation for anything negative in my life? Maybe we should go back further and I should blame the Egyptians.

If I fail at a business or anything I don't say it is because the germans killed millions.

I think what you are saying is that as a group the blacks are just weak. Nothing happened to them that had not happened to the jews many times.

There was aposter on another board that told me that he was denied a business deal because he was black. He couldn't tell me exactly what happened to make him think that.

Maybe they just thought he was an ass.
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If the Holocaust happened in America and America had a strong national tradition of anti-Semitism you might have a point.
 
Mellie said:
It might not be moral to be racist, but you certainly have every right to be.
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And non-racists have the right to belittle and ostracize them for their racist behavior! :sun
 
Mason66 said:
I don't want to keep going over the same ground.

It is used as an explanation for somebody that doesn't want to get out there and do what they need to to get ahead. How does slavery explain that behaviour.

I happen to be Jewish. Should I use the holocaust as an explanation for anything negative in my life? Maybe we should go back further and I should blame the Egyptians.

If I fail at a business or anything I don't say it is because the germans killed millions.

I think what you are saying is that as a group the blacks are just weak. Nothing happened to them that had not happened to the jews many times.

There was aposter on another board that told me that he was denied a business deal because he was black. He couldn't tell me exactly what happened to make him think that.

Maybe they just thought he was an ass.
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My boyfriend is Jewish and was born in Israel... His family was kicked out of two countries... He doesn't use the Holocaust as an excuse in life. His family was kicked of Europe before it happened. However, antisemiticism and the Holocaust does impact his life presently, as they play a large role in the existence of Israel and why is family is scattered all over the world.
 
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I think the Holocaust affects everybody just because of Middle East politics
 
SheWolf said:
I think the Holocaust affects everybody just because of Middle East politics
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Very true. The Jewish people needed a home because pretty much every else they went (besides the US and a few other countries) everybody wanted to kill them.
 
SheWolf said:
I think the Holocaust affects everybody just because of Middle East politics
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This is very true. And technically whatever happened in the Middle East 2-3000 years ago affects everybody too since Israel uses that as justification for the creation of the Israeli state. So basically, history is a mother****er.
 


Tim Wise here saying some pretty controversial stuff. I don't agree with everything he says, but if you watch the first 12 minutes or so you'll get a better idea of why slavery and racism are still with us.
 
StillBallin75 said:
If the Holocaust happened in America and America had a strong national tradition of anti-Semitism you might have a point.
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So the US has a strong national tradition of anti-black sentiment? Do you think the whole country has that or just certain places?

That is a pretty bold thing to say that the whole country is anit-black.
 
SheWolf said:
My boyfriend is Jewish and was born in Israel... His family was kicked out of two countries... He doesn't use the Holocaust as an excuse in life. His family was kicked of Europe before it happened. However, antisemiticism and the Holocaust does impact his life presently, as they play a large role in the existence of Israel and why is family is scattered all over the world.
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And soes he use that as an excuse every time something bad happens to him?
 
Mason66 said:
So the US has a strong national tradition of anti-black sentiment? Do you think the whole country has that or just certain places?

That is a pretty bold thing to say that the whole country is anit-black.
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Yeah. It's called racism. It was here during slavery, it was here after slavery, and it was here not half a century ago in the form of Jim Crow laws. Racism is still with us today, it's just a lot milder and resides under the surface in the form of covert racism. Like I said before, nobody should use racism or slavery as an excuse for not trying their best or giving it their all. But that doesn't mean it hasn't affected their lives.
 
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Mason66 said:
And soes he use that as an excuse every time something bad happens to him?
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He was in a seven car pile up, and his car was totaled. That's a "bad thing" and he didn't blame that on the Holocaust.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Yeah. It's called racism. It was here during slavery, it was here after slavery, and it was here not half a century ago in the form of Jim Crow laws. Racism is still with us today, it's just a lot milder and resides under the surface in the form of covert racism. Like I said before, nobody should use racism or slavery as an excuse for not trying their best or giving it their all. But that doesn't mean it hasn't affected their lives.
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You are an example of what I have been saying here.

You referrence Jim Crow laws which were in maybe 10 states in the union. Did blacks in California get hung?

Racism is everywhere but it is not the reason one group cannot achieve what they want.

So you don't give a black guy a pass when he says he can't get a job because he is black?

Is there any company denying jobs to black people? I don't think so.
 
ElCid said:
Blacks are just flat angry. Nowhere on Earth do they flourish in big numbers. They're the single most universally unpopular people in human time, yet the human race sprang from east-central, African people, five million years ago. Personally, I believe the essence of the problem is the psychology of color. Dark skin literally scares the hell out of most people, whether they recognize it or not. It's not fair, but it's life. I'm not Black, but I know what it's like to be hated because of prejudice. I try hard to overcome prejudice within myself, but it's tough. If I have a racist bone in my body, it's 'defensive' racism, e.g., a reaction against being mistreated by non-Whites because I'm White.
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If there is anyway you can petition to have a post removed, I would do it now. :lamo

How did you not put sarcastic quotes around that post?
 
Racism is everywhere but it is not the reason one group cannot achieve what they want.
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It's part of the reason there exists a disparity.

So you don't give a black guy a pass when he says he can't get a job because he is black?
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It depends on whether or not there is any truth to his accusations. There might be, there might not.

Is there any company denying jobs to black people? I don't think so.
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Subtle, covert discrimination exists.

Black names and racism in the hiring process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Mason66 said:
You are an example of what I have been saying here.

You referrence Jim Crow laws which were in maybe 10 states in the union. Did blacks in California get hung?

Racism is everywhere but it is not the reason one group cannot achieve what they want.

So you don't give a black guy a pass when he says he can't get a job because he is black?

Is there any company denying jobs to black people? I don't think so.
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1. There were Jim Crow laws in way more than ten states.
2. California also had Jim Crow laws - specifically miscegenation laws.
3. Black people were hung and lynched everywhere - including the North and California.
4. Discrimination exists everywhere whether for race, sex, sexuality or other reasons.
 
Bruce said:
You've never been to Africa, have you? :lol:
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He hasn't been in the poor section of any inner city in the US either obviously.

To get serious though. African descendants have an issue that goes well beyond Jim Crow laws, racism and US Slavery. People are extremely quick to forget a few things.

1. Slave was abolished close to 150 years ago. There is noone alive now who was a US Slave owner or US Slave back then.
2. Jim Crow laws were abolished almost 50 years ago, there are not a lot left today who were subjected to them. Some yes, but not a large percentage.
3. African decendents have problems in all countries, not just the US.
4. African-Americans kill more African-Americans through violence than any other cause when it comes to young African-American males. Why is that?
5. Nigeria has spent decades in civil war after civil war amongst it's tribes, why is that?
6. African has the oldest civilizations on the planet, yet it has the most 3 world and the least developed nations on the planet. Why is that?

In the end it comes down to the fact that the African race has spent centuries committing violence against themselves in the form of tribal wars, they've committed nothing to the development of their own nations, as a race they commit more crimes in society than any other race, they spend more time in prison worldwide than any other race.

When you speak of Asians you imagine individuals who are extremely respectful with high morales.
When you speak of Jewish individuals you imagine high morals and dedication to all things they participate in.
When you speak of Caucasians you imagine an individual dedicated to family and job.
When you speak of Arabs you imagine an amazingly strong belief system coupled with high (though different) morals.

But when you speak of an African you imagine guns, nigerian scams, civil unrest, Rodney King, locking your doors, crack and a myriad of other problems.

Jim Crow laws, Slavery and racism did not cause this, it was an issue for the African race long before caucasians took any part in their world.
 
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