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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    We can say the same about all categories which have fuzzy boundaries. Define PRECISELY what "family" means. Does family mean only mother, father, brother and sister? What then is the cousin? How about 2nd cousin? How about 3rd cousin?
    Family is also a social construct. It means very different things in various cultures.

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Evidence is not absolute proof. Why do you think lady justice is represented with a scale?
    Evidence is not absolute proof. There is probable evidence for both sides of this question, as with most other scientific and philosophical questions.

    According to one of my Mental Floss magazines, there was a man named James Watson, responsible for the discovery of DNA with a Nobel prize to boot. I know there's some controversy about him so whatever you dredge up about him to make him look bad won't surprise me. A man of science like him, who follows science, should not be punished if he speaks about whatever evidence science has provided.

    To make it short, I don't refuse to consider scientific questions that may have scientific proof even if society will be incredibly offended by it. So what if blacks, as an overall average, has less intelligence? So what if the Chinese have slightly more average intellect? If science provides evidence, don't think I'll shut my mouth in hopes of not offending the ignorant.

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Which wavelength of light? Most people would define yellow as a range and the distinction between yellow and orange is not clear.
    I said wavelengths. Specifically, yellow is how people with "normal color vision" will perceive light with a wavelength between 570-590 nm. Orange is typically considered to be between 590-620 nm.

    I am color blind, so the way I perceive certain wavelengths of light is dramatically different.
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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Tall and short, as you are using them here are relative terms. I may be taller than you but shorter than Joe. Am I tall? How can i be taller and shorter at the same time? Because we define these in relative terms. It is another type of abstraction. "Tall" does not exists in and of itself and what I perceive as tall Joe may perceive as short.
    What the hell does tall mean? You're using a real unit to sort people into social categories. The same is going on with race. You can call whites "hoppyhops" and sort them and the sorting will still use real features which can be quantified by a statistical sorting mechanism. The social layer that you impose on hoppyhops doesn't erase the genetic layer's meaning.

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Family is also a social construct. It means very different things in various cultures.
    I'm not disagreeing. I haven't said boo about race not having social meanings. There are plenty of social connotations associated with race but simply because some people see these social connotations doesn't mean that race is strictly a social construct divorced from genetics, just like family has many social connotations but it is also built on, for most of humanity, a real genetic relatedness and with fuzzy boundaries.

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    We can say the same about all categories which have fuzzy boundaries. Define PRECISELY what "family" means. Does family mean only mother, father, brother and sister? What then is the cousin? How about 2nd cousin? How about 3rd cousin?
    Exactly. What you call family someone else might not. "Family" is just a generally agreed upon label and it is defined differently across various cultures.

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    What the hell does tall mean? You're using a real unit to sort people into social categories. The same is going on with race. You can call whites "hoppyhops" and sort them and the sorting will still use real features which can be quantified by a statistical sorting mechanism. The social layer that you impose on hoppyhops doesn't erase the genetic layer's meaning.
    There is no defining feature. They are just general categories that we have constructed to describe various groups. How we define the categories is subjective and arbitrary.

    Is Obama white or black?

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I'm not disagreeing. I haven't said boo about race not having social meanings. There are plenty of social connotations associated with race but simply because some people see these social connotations doesn't mean that race is strictly a social construct divorced from genetics, just like family has many social connotations but it is also built on, for most of humanity, a real genetic relatedness and with fuzzy boundaries.
    Race is a strictly social construct, though. Just like family is a strictly social construct.

    Don't confuse the social construct of family with mere biological relationship.

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I said wavelengths. Specifically, yellow is how people with "normal color vision" will perceive light with a wavelength between 570-590 nm. Orange is typically considered to be between 590-620 nm.

    I am color blind, so the way I perceive certain wavelengths of light is dramatically different.
    Typically, yes.

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    From your link:

    "This imprecision in assigning the proportion of variation assigned to differences among population within ”races” as compared to variation among “races,” arises precisely because there is no objective way to assign the various human populations to clear-cut races. "
    That is not the same as "there is no biological difference that could be defined as "race"", which is essentially what you said. The passage I quoted clearly states that a specific portion of DNA shows a large enough commonality amongst those we socially classify as belonging to one race or another.

    In other words, we socially classify people, and a minute part of DNA confirms that classification.
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