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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    If race has no scientific validity than a correlative or causative statement based on race does not either.
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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    If race has no scientific validity than a correlative or causative statement based on race does not either.
    Disagree. Poor and rich are not biological or scientific concepts. But that doesn't mean that the claim that "poor people have lower IQs" has no validity, or that it doesn't warrant examination.

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Not to be too picky, but if there is no race, what is either side of the supposed gap?
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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    This is a matter of political correctness so, yes. It's okay for either race to bash the other.
    Call it tough love if you want, but controlling speech is wrong.

    People should control themselves with something called "civility".

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Disagree. Poor and rich are not biological or scientific concepts. But that doesn't mean that the claim that "poor people have lower IQs" has no validity, or that it doesn't warrant examination.

    Yes I agree. Race as a social construct can be used to make such statements; race as a biological classification, however, cannot.
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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Can anyone provide empirical evidence that evolution left the overall intellect of all races absolutely equal? What can you say about the Chinese with their civilizational progress many thousands of years ago? And if race supposedly doesn't exist, how can you argue that evolution blessed everyone with absolutely equal intellect?

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Can anyone provide empirical evidence that evolution left the overall intellect of all races absolutely equal? What can you say about the Chinese with their civilizational progress many thousands of years ago? And if race supposedly doesn't exist, how can you argue that evolution blessed everyone with absolutely equal intellect?
    There is no absolute equal in anything, evolution or otherwise. That also means that within any specific ethnic classification there will be variants, deviations, and averages. And regionally, you'll see even more convolution.

    That also means there is no absolute perfect test for intelligence. Evolutionary and cultural differences will skew the mean. As many posts as RiverDad has made about IQs for blacks being lower, he's never been able to acknowledge that there are just as many (if not more) studies which show beyond question that those IQ tests were an inaccurate measure of intelligence due to a failure to adjust for cultural variations.
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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This is what is called a non-sequitur. I agree that the concept of race doesn't really have any substance when it comes to scientific validity. But the IQ gap is still there. What's troubling is many people seem content with the theory that this means that somehow blacks are inherently stupider.
    Exactly, instead of using the IQ as proof that African Americans have been held back by years of oppression, these two are actually claiming that they just do not have the mental capacity. It seems to me that there would be some sort of scientific evidence of this, but I have seen none yet. It also seems to me that education of cultural group is an exponential function, not linear, meaning the it could take a while for them to catch up, but once they gain speed they will be here in a hurry.
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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    There is no absolute equal in anything, evolution or otherwise. That also means that within any specific ethnic classification there will be variants, deviations, and averages. And regionally, you'll see even more convolution.

    That also means there is no absolute perfect test for intelligence. Evolutionary and cultural differences will skew the mean. As many posts as RiverDad has made about IQs for blacks being lower, he's never been able to acknowledge that there are just as many (if not more) studies which show beyond question that those IQ tests were an inaccurate measure of intelligence due to a failure to adjust for cultural variations.
    So basically your first paragraph disagrees with Khayembii Communique in that you state there is absolutely no equal in anything. Ero, if race exists, then there are races you have a higher overall intellect than others. I'd agree there are also many other factors.

    To be frank I've never been given a universal definition for intelligence. Strange. Race, morality, intellect... all clouded by the murky waters of obscurity.

    Perhaps it is indeed true that all beliefs cannot be proven, ever.

    "...due to a failure to adjust for cultural variations..." Huh. Do you mean we need to adjust to the incompetence of students of certain races? If by adjustment do you mean affirmative action? Doesn't work. With public schools there's only one classroom. If you have to lower the bar... the level of competence... then the whole classroom of students gets affected. If I recall, and I do believe I can if you want me to, there was a case in which the qualification exam for police officers was lowered to a "D" in order to be deemed "passing". Affirmative action is a failed notion because it lowers te level of competence in a perverse attempt to be "fair". It's institutional racism to prefer one race over the other. The solution? Leave the test as is and if people truly cared they'd push that mental mass between their brains and achieve their dreams. Look at e. I'm a black registered nursing student who absolutely HATES affirmative action.

    Think about it. White people and other seemingly and currently more intelligent students like Asains hate it for obvious reasons because even though they're qualified they'll be overlooked in favor to a "less fortunate" race. Competent black people like me will also hate it because the spectre will be haunting me. The spectre of knowing that people will think I wasn't competent, and that I was let into this program based on my race along with the preconceived notions of those who created such a politically correct system.

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    Re: Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Exactly, instead of using the IQ as proof that African Americans have been held back by hears of oppression, these two are actually claiming that they just do not have the mental capacity. It seems to me that there would be some sort of scientific evidence of this, but I have seen none yet. It seems to me that education of cultural group is an exponential function, not linear.
    Do you really think that evolution created this plethora of differences within the races, yet magically didn't touch one iota of intellect?

    I haven't seen conclusive proof of either or. Ergo, that valid question will always remain.

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