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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    The question is a false dichotomy. A useful justice system will do both as part of its role in protecting society. Punishment act as deterrence while rehabilitation provides hope. It is a basic carrot and stick approach to influencing a person. Threaten to lock them in a box if they are bad while offering a better lifestyle if they are good.

    Many of the flaws in the American justice system are because the system fails to provide both requirements. Drug crimes have severe rehabilitation problems because prison is essentially a training ground and networking club for gangs. White collar crime has both limited prosecution and weak punishment, so there is little deterrence to illegal behavior.

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Death penalty needs to be used for more crimes such as Rape,Child Molestation etc...and needs to be carried out quicker..hell with letting these scum sit on death row for 20 years I say take em out back put a bullet in back of head and then bury them saves money.

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    deterrence
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    zturn harsh criminals into slaves, they basically are anyway.

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Punishment is the product of an archaic mindset. You cannot make someone a better person by hurting them.

    That said, many criminals cannot be rehabilitated and our society must have some fashion of addressing them.

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Should the goal of our justice system be punishment or rehabilitation of criminals? The number of prisoners has been drastically rising. It's expensive to incarcerate individuals, and I personally believe we would have a better society and a more productive justice system if rehabilitation took precedence over raw punishment. What do you think is more important? Please explain
    Jail time should be verbotten for victimless crimes. This category includes, but is not limited to, drug use, drug possession, drug sales to adults, prostitution, gambling, and all the over "sins".

    Next, to reduce the expense of keeping people in jail, start shooting the murdering bastards. Bullets cost less than a buck, so let's get serious about saving the taxpayer money. Redefine the appeals process, Mumia abooboo Jamar cop killer, should have been executed within 365 days of his conviction. Jose Avilla, child raper and killer who left his DNA in his five year old victim, should have been dead years ago. Entire generations of worms have been denied their right to food because bleeding heart assholes have implemented rules that keep the obviously guilty alive.

    Then, clearly, de-unionize the prison guards, its not a "profession" that requires irreplaceable people.

    That's just for starters. Implement those reforms and re-assess after a few years.

    As for the punishment aspect, hell YES. For the real crimes that criminals should be locked up for, by all means make sure they're as uncomfortable as possible. Certainly make sure the food meets the LOWEST standards of the FDA guidelines. Make sure the convict isn't allowed a high protein diet to "bulk up" on. Take away the weights, the basketballs, the footballs. Make prison even more boring than it already is. Let them watch CSPAN and Sesame Street.

    Let them have the time alone they need to ponder the reasons they're there. Don't let them fill their time associating with other criminals. That should be kept to the purest minimum.
    Last edited by Mayor Snorkum; 04-27-11 at 03:39 AM.

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Depends on the crime really. A lot of times putting them in the system makes them come back just because the system doesn't prepare them for release. I watch a lot of Locked Up when I get bored and have nothing to do, pretty decent show makes you understand the issue better to I think.
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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    1. Safety of public. Basic public facilities.
    2. Rehab such that repeating the need for 1, above, is less likely. This should cost less than continued or habitual incarceration, use private firms and have results-based contracts.

    Punishment? Using this reason is like trying to convince someone too limited to grasp the point. The goverment seeks to ensure the safety of the public, not vengeance for individuals. Justice is fair treatment under the law, not personal satisfaction.



    Quote Originally Posted by GoodOleBoy View Post
    Death penalty needs to be used for more crimes such as Rape,Child Molestation etc...and needs to be carried out quicker..hell with letting these scum sit on death row for 20 years I say take em out back put a bullet in back of head and then bury them saves money.
    Why waste the bullet and real estate? I don't agree with capital punishment, but I'm wondering about your authorized expenditure in a cost-sensitive analysis.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 04-27-11 at 07:25 AM.

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Should the goal of our justice system be punishment or rehabilitation of criminals? The number of prisoners has been drastically rising. It's expensive to incarcerate individuals, and I personally believe we would have a better society and a more productive justice system if rehabilitation took precedence over raw punishment. What do you think is more important? Please explain
    I think the justice system needs to realize that the education system is probably what created the criminal. They can make decisions knowing this fact.

    Except if it is a sex crime.
    Last edited by sazerac; 04-27-11 at 07:37 AM.

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Parents make criminals. Don't be such a top-down commie.

    It takes a village to grow a criminal.

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