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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    This stupid idea was born by Liberals because most of criminals traditionally support Leftists.It is wasting of tax money to try to rehabilitate gangsters.
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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You just don't know what it feels like to be a gangsta
    For me is only important the feelings of victim; the emotions of gangsters could be flashed down the toilet.
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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    You didn't read your own links. In Franken's case, they cannot pin that "all the felons" voted for him. The felon vote to margin of victory is way so close, that it would have had to have been almost 100%.

    Look though at the percentages: 341 people in Minnesota is not a lot of people. It's doubtful that any amount of law enforcement could have stopped that. There are that many murders in Minneapolis between Senate elections, and the police can't stop all of them. Maybe if Coleman had been a better Senator when he was there, it would have been different. As it was, he was only elected in the first place because his opponent was killed in a plane crash before the election.

    But yeah, it's only because of felons.

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It should be based around rehabilitation for the most part. Give people the skills and therapy they need to be a peaceful productive part of society. For those who can't, lock them away from society. Don't do it to punish, though - do it because they can't control their anti-social impulses.
    Exactly. Lesser crimes should work towards rehabilitation, while the more heinous crimes should be geared towards sequestration, not for punishment, but for safety, and sanctity.
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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    I think THE ONLY point of jail is rehabilitation. I think our jails should engage in brainwashing and send all our extreme criminals to first be extensively brainwashed for years tills they can function as a part of our military. The "punishment" is giving up your rights to live as a citizen, because you broke the rules. It's not the governments place to Morally judge or condemn someone but to exclude the dangerous person from society and hopefully one day re-administering (depending on the severity) into society as a functional citizen. The government judges based on the crime how long it would take for the individual to be in, what procedures that need to be taken, and whether the citizen will ever be able to go back into regular society.

    If a harsh criminal stays in solitary confinement and has a tape playing over and over for months saying "i will be a good citizen", and further lists laws and the constitution. I think he'll be rehabilitated

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    It is completely baffling that anyone would think that rehabilitation should not be part of the mix. Think it through: if we aren't interested in trying to rehabilitate them, yet we are going to release them, then we are intentionally releasing people we have made no effort to rehabilitate... That is, people who are still dangerous. Now, admittedly, this is the madness that is the current paradigm, but really, it is nevertheless baffling.

    If anyone on here who has said they don't care about rehabilitation later says they were victimized by a repeat offender, I do wonder if I should feel any sympathy. To be clear, I would still want the criminal behind bars, to protect others, but it is really stupid to be against rehabilitation and then have an expectation that society will be safer.
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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    The incarceration system is increasingly about cheap labor for private industry. There are more laws now for crimes than at any other time in our country's short history.

    Rehabilitation is good but I don't think it's enough. I'm a fan of restorative justice. It's not just about individuals but entire communities. Crime starts as a thought practice within the social fabric before it ever manifests as an act. If we really want to change the status of crime we have to change the minds of communities.

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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    rappers etc. should face the death sentence.
    I agree with that.
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    Re: Punishment or Rehabilitation?

    Both. Prison must do three things. It must punish the guilty, protect society and prepare the criminal for an eventual return to society. If it doesn't do all three, then prison isn't the proper place for the individual to be.
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