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  • Libertarian: End All Entitlements

    8 47.06%
  • Republican: Reduce Medicare Expenditures starting in 2022, but let Seniors decide where

    4 23.53%
  • Democrat: Reduce Medicare Expenditures in 2014, and let an unelected political board decide where

    4 23.53%
  • Suicidal: Continue to bicker, leave the system as it is, and it all crashes.

    1 5.88%
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Thread: Between the Medicare Cutters

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    Re: Between the Medicare Cutters

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Or, we can do what the We the People decide is important. 30 years of tax cuts to the rich have not helped the middle class improve their lot. It just increased the public debt which the middle class and their heirs are now on the hook for. The other big issue is unnaffordable health care costs, it is one of the issues that swept Obama into office. The GOP comes down on the wrong side of both of these issues from the perspective of the middle class.
    I'm in the middle class, and I disagree.

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    Re: Between the Medicare Cutters

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I'm in the middle class, and I disagree.
    You are in the minority opinion then:

    Large Majority Of Americans, Including Most Republicans, Support Raising Taxes On The Wealthy
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    Re: Between the Medicare Cutters

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
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    Re: Between the Medicare Cutters

    An option for privatizing should be on the table for people who want to do it.
    My family is more important than my party.
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    Re: Between the Medicare Cutters

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dog View Post
    An option for privatizing should be on the table for people who want to do it.
    That is the republican's plan. Privatizing it and giving coupons.

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    Re: Between the Medicare Cutters

    Everyone knows that Republicans want seniors to eat dog food and die like rats.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Between the Medicare Cutters

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That is the republican's plan. Privatizing it and giving coupons.
    In reality no one in congress currently (except one) has the actual balls to eliminate medicare.
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    Re: Between the Medicare Cutters

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The tax cuts of the past 30 years have helped the middle class. It has reduced their tax burden and allowed for more individuals within the middle class to move up into the upper middle class or hire.
    Not in relation to cost of living increases. More and more of the middle class are falling into poverty today than they were when our progressive tax system was the strongest.


    A legitiamte argument can be made that they've helped "the rich" far more than the middle class, and that would be a logical and common sense notion since the Rich was taxed significantly higher than the middle class and thus would feel the affect of a tax cut far more. But the middle class not being helped as much by tax cuts is not the same as not being helped at all.
    With the changes that have been made to the tax system, including the loop holes, and all the various state and local taxes taken as a whole, we essentially have a flat tax these days where the rich are not paying more (percentage wise) than the middle class. And the cost of living is taking up a much greater percentage from the middle class income.


    You can try the "We the People" line with me all you want Glenn Beck, but sorry...you're not going to sway me. "We the People" as a collective are, looking at nothing else, human and thus generally a selfish lot worried primarily about what benefits us in the short term. Its why we're a Republic and not a Direct Democracy. We are not, and should never be, a country governed by polls telling us what "We the People" want.
    Suit yourself! I'll stick with the 80 years of rule of law.


    Somehow I don't imagine you standing here talking about doing what "We the People" wanted when they said to repeal Obama's Health Care law.
    Health care reform is one of the issues that got Obama elected.


    We'd have invaded Iraq in 2001, when a majority of "We the People" favored that. "We the People" decided that at one point George Bush was the most approved of President of all time.
    The war was only supported until the public learned that Iraq was not a threat and that the war had been about oil.

    "We the People" have stated gays shouldn't be legally allowed to marry.
    We the people are changing our minds about that.

    "We the People" are more pro-life than pro-choice, so perhaps we should ban abortion since all you care about is "we the people's" polling data.
    If that were actually true, it would be the rule of law as is SS and M/M
    "We the People" favored extending ALL the tax cuts in December of 2010, I guess you believe that was right as well.
    As I do not feel our forefathers were socialist for supporting much higher taxes for the rich during one of the most prosperous periods for the middle class, yes I support the working class fighting back against the class war that has been waged on them.

    I wouldn't be shocked that if Gallup asked a poll if people would be in favor of everyone but the top 1% of the country getting a $3000 tax refund back from the government to "stimulate" our economy that "We the People" would probably largely be in favor of slapping on a near 1 trillion dollars worth of spending onto the debt because...hey, they're getting money.

    All of the proposals I have seen are no where close to the increase the rich should have for the massive breaks they have received for the last 30 years. When we decide that our debt problems are big enough, this will have to be addressed.

    We definitely need to listen to the citizens of this country, unquestionably. But what they're saying can only be one factor in regards to how our representitives should be acting. And its foolish, in any walk of life, in any situation, to absolutely ignore all surrounding context.

    The blatant and obvious cherry picking you're doing to validate your point of view by not even applying your own extremely narrow and childish view of the situation in an even way is decisively dishonest in method. "We the People" need to be heard, but need to have all they say taken into account, and need to be looked at realistically, and need to be balanced against the interests of "They, the next group of People" and the needs of the country.
    I have a feeling the citizen's are going to make their wishes very clear in November of next year.
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    Re: Between the Medicare Cutters

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    In reality no one in congress currently (except one) has the actual balls to eliminate medicare.
    Not anyone that cares about being reelected.
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    Re: Between the Medicare Cutters

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That is the republican's plan. Privatizing it and giving coupons.
    the only thing that's "privatized" is the decision-making entity. Republicans plan is to make Seniors the decision authority over their own medicare dollars. Democrats is to make bureacrats the decision authority. Both intend to reduce medicare expenditures; it's mostly a difference over who they think should be in charge of allocating the reduced medicare expenditures.

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