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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by garb View Post
    So you're saying that capitalism can operate effectively with little or no capital? Not trying to be a smart***, I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from, becuase your position really seems self-contradictory.
    No, obviously not true. However, the driving force for employment is not tax rates, but demand for products and services. A hypothetical company with enough employees to meet demand but a large profit is not going to hire more employees, while a company that is losing money but not able to meet demand will probably perforce still have to hire more employees. Neither situation is entirely likely, and the second one is in fact fairly uncommon, however they illustrate the point. Please do not read more into my words than what I am actually saying.
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Whether or not Taxes hurt the hiring capabilities of businesses?

    Have you....or have you not?
    To an extent they absolutely do. Never claimed otherwise. Do you want to address any point I have actually made, or are you going to once again try and assign positions to me?
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by garb View Post
    Does government spending stimulate the economy or hurt it?
    The private sector was shedding jobs and was not hiring. So the stimulus was meant keep certain people in the public sector like police, fire and teachers in their jobs to keep demand for products/services up. This helps keep those people in the private sector from losing their jobs as well. Other money was used for infrastructure projects. These help with jobs in the private sector.


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    Re: Government stimulus

    Answer the question....have you EVER owned a bidness....or are you just once again going to assign ME an infraction for questioning you?


    Demand means NOTHING if the REVENUES do not support the growth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Probably not. If demand is sufficient, jobs are made. If demand is not there, jobs are not created. Demand for a product/service is the overwhelming largest factor in employment and hiring/firing.
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Answer the question....have you EVER owned a bidness....or are you just once again going to assign ME an infraction for questioning you?


    Demand means NOTHING if the REVENUES do not support the growth.
    Businesses that are losing money hire new employees. Companies with excess money but enough employees to meet demand do not. Are you saying this is not true?
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    as will I. the fact is that economists disagree on this matter, the problem is that keynsians are stuck on a circular argument, which is why their position is 1. self-reinforcing and 2. non-falsifiable. but it's interesting you don't have anything to dispute the fact that recessions met with increases in government intervention tend to last longer, but those met with government tax cuts don't, and those met with government tax and spending cuts recover fastest of all.
    oh, since we are discussing comparative responses and results; I ran across this little nugget:

    Had the U.S. economy recovered from the current recession the way it bounced back from the other 10 recessions since World War II, our per-capita gross domestic product (GDP) would be $3,553 higher than it is today, and 11.9 million more Americans would be employed.

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    Re: Government stimulus

    Have you EVER owned a business.....yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Businesses that are losing money hire new employees. Companies with excess money but enough employees to meet demand do not. Are you saying this is not true?
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Have you EVER owned a business.....yes or no?
    Owned no, been involved in management and running one, yes. Do you have any other irrelevant questions? Do you plan on actually addressing the points made?
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think the choices are not an "either or" situation.
    Government spending can stimulate the economy and hurt it at the same time.
    Or sometimes one or the other.

    I mean the whole idea that government spending doesn't create jobs is simply, obviously, not true.

    We sit here fighting about whether government spending creates jobs on the internet, which was born in the military, paid for by govt.

    Microwave ovens, microcircuitry, velcro, lots of things that we take for granted were born under government contract.

    Private enterprise commodified them and brought them to market, but govt gave the grants to the universities/companies that made the core discoveries.

    We have complex problems that are going to require complex solutions.

    Reductionist arguments are not going to help us solve anything.

    Maybe its time the people figured out what to do amongst ourselves and then told the govt what we want them to do.

    But that means a genuine exchange of ideas.

    Which for some reason seems possible here lately.
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Propping up the economy artificially, does nothing good for the economy. All it does is delay the inevitable, when the government injects money into the economy its akin to giving a patient pain pills when in fact the patient needs surgery.
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