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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dog View Post
    FDR tried to spend his way out of the great depression, and failed. WW2 ended up bailing us out. Anytime legislation interferes with the forces of the market recovery tends to be delayed. The invisible hand does work, sometimes less regulation works better, especially during recessions. Is the law of supply and demand perfect, no. However, spending does not work. You can't dig yourself out of a hole.
    The idea that wars help the economy is based off of the idea that government spending helps the economy. It creates false supply and demand, more popularly known among realistic economists as "bubbles".

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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    While I typically disagree with stimulus' and things of that nature, as long as we are operating an economy using an inflationary monetary policy and the fed, it's best to stimulate it in other ways.

    Giving checks to low income people would be a better way to stimulate the economy, than the craziness that goes on now, low income people are most likely to spend on consumer goods that would tickle the economy like stimulus programs are supposed to do.

    If it were a perfect world I wouldn't want it to happen though.
    How does the redistribution of wealth stimulate the economy? Again, it gives the low income people you mentioned the illusion that things are better, but you have to get that money from somewhere. Either from other people or from the printing press. Both of those things hurt the economy.

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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    let's see. we're going to take money from a small business owner through taxes, or from an investor through the sale of bonds


    .....and spend it studying robot bees.


    yeah, i can't see the economic inefficiency there. the business owners and investors probably would have spent that money on something foolish, like hiring new employees.
    What about spending on military? Hey wait, that is stimulative, and does create jobs. In fact since it is not a one for one relationship, it creates more jobs than it costs.

    The concept that if businesses if they have more money will hire more people is retarded. Businesses hire more people when they need more employees to meet demand, not because they want to spend money. Mindless conservative talking points don't do well in debate.
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What about spending on military? Hey wait, that is stimulative, and does create jobs. In fact since it is not a one for one relationship, it creates more jobs than it costs.

    The concept that if businesses if they have more money will hire more people is retarded. Businesses hire more people when they need more employees to meet demand, not because they want to spend money. Mindless conservative talking points don't do well in debate.
    Right, but imposing those taxes on them sometimes makes it much more difficult to hire additional employees does it not?

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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by garb View Post
    Right, but imposing those taxes on them sometimes makes it much more difficult to hire additional employees does it not?
    Probably not. If demand is sufficient, jobs are made. If demand is not there, jobs are not created. Demand for a product/service is the overwhelming largest factor in employment and hiring/firing.
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Right....transpose this on now.....taxes will kill job growth...ain't no way round it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Probably not. If demand is sufficient, jobs are made. If demand is not there, jobs are not created. Demand for a product/service is the overwhelming largest factor in employment and hiring/firing.
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Probably not. If demand is sufficient, jobs are made. If demand is not there, jobs are not created. Demand for a product/service is the overwhelming largest factor in employment and hiring/firing.
    So you're saying that capitalism can operate effectively with little or no capital? Not trying to be a smart***, I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from, becuase your position really seems self-contradictory.

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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Unreferenced graphs prove nothing.
    let me help: the top graph is what Obama's Keyensian mathematics told him (and then he told us) that could lower unemployment through spending. "with" the "stimulus" we were supposed to top out at about 8% and immediately begin dropping. "without" it, we were supposed to climb up to 9%, and delay there a bit longer before dropping.

    the irony, of course, comes in that his math was precisely 100% incorrect - we passed the "stimulus" and with the stimulus, unemployment climbed above 9% and stayed there. two years later we still have yet to drop down to what Obama claimed the highest point of unemployment would be.

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    Re: Government stimulus

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Right....transpose this on now.....taxes will kill job growth...ain't no way round it...

    Geeeezus....ever owned a bidness?
    This addresses what I said how?
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    Re: Government stimulus

    Whether or not Taxes hurt the hiring capabilities of businesses?

    Have you....or have you not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This addresses what I said how?
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