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    Re: Utilitarianism

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That word "actively" can be pretty tricky. Often we can cause suffering of another without realizing it, its a big problem that can be hard for people to get their minds around. However, other than that minor point, I agree. Generally with people, we tend to do a logical shorthand and say "well, x action did good in the past, I will do it again" I do it all the time and not always reason something out from scratch (I simply don't have the time or energy!). However, we should be careful and never assume that it will always work or that human nature is fixed (I believe some of human nature is fixed and some is very fluid and can even change daily). What is a good action in one society may be very detrimental in another.
    I'm a definite believer in dynamic society, that's why I typically oppose laws that are universal in nature.
    Except for murder and theft.

    Legislation doesn't flow with society, it typically lags.

    But again, actively for me is from the legislation standpoint.
    One of the reasons I oppose UHC is that it could hurt many undeserving people that don't need cost effective medical treatments but instead need expensive sometimes exploratory/investigative treatments.
    Particularly those with expensive inborn disabilities.
    I actually support full UHC for them.
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    Re: Utilitarianism

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm a definite believer in dynamic society, that's why I typically oppose laws that are universal in nature.
    Except for murder and theft.

    Legislation doesn't flow with society, it typically lags.

    But again, actively for me is from the legislation standpoint.
    One of the reasons I oppose UHC is that it could hurt many undeserving people that don't need cost effective medical treatments but instead need expensive sometimes exploratory/investigative treatments.
    Particularly those with expensive inborn disabilities.
    I actually support full UHC for them.
    I know and I hope you didn't feel I was characterizing you or making a strawman. I am, in many ways, still trying to figure out your take on politics.

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    Re: Utilitarianism

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I know and I hope you didn't feel I was characterizing you or making a strawman. I am, in many ways, still trying to figure out your take on politics.
    Dude, no matter our disagreements on political philosophy, I know better than to think you're being a jerk.
    Sometimes I'm being the jerk and have to control myself.

    Much respect, towards you, I have. /yoda
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    Re: Utilitarianism

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I never looked very deeply into this philosophy before, but after spending a few days reading, I am finding it pretty much describes my own approach to moral reasoning (even though I attach my own twist to it and my goal isn't primarily hedonistic).

    Anyway, from your point of view, is this a valid moral approach and why (not)?

    Utilitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I think a lot people following this philosophy... If you have to make a difficult moral decision, you'll try to make the one that seems the better of the two. It makes sense to me...

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    Re: Utilitarianism

    i don't agree with it. In my philosophy class we went over a lot of works. The libertarian philosophical stance appealed to me more out of all the different moral philosophies we studied.

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    Re: Utilitarianism

    I voted for the 3rd option; useful in some circumstances, cold-hearted and calculating in others.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Utilitarianism

    Utilitariaism is a variant of socialis/totalitarianism in which the invididual is measured by the value of his "contribution" to society. It's no less diseased than the parent philosophies it evolved from.

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    Re: Utilitarianism

    Utilitarianism is neat but can't conceptually apply to all situations.

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    Re: Utilitarianism

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Utilitariaism is a variant of socialis/totalitarianism in which the invididual is measured by the value of his "contribution" to society. It's no less diseased than the parent philosophies it evolved from.
    Nope. Utilitarianism is the idea that the greatest amount of happiness for the greatest number of people is a viable moral goal. Now, what methods a person feels is best to achieve that happiness for people is probably very varied.

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    Re: Utilitarianism

    Heisenberg offers a more useful perspective than any moral philosopher: If you spend too much energy trying to define good, you will lose sight of how to be it.

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