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  • He should be released because he's sick and tax payers should pay for the transplant if he cannot.

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  • He should remain in prison and tax payers should pay for his transpla.nt

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  • He should stay in prison and get the transplant if he can raise the money.

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  • He should be released and the tax payers should not be on the hook for his care.

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  • He should remain in prison and he should not get a new heart because he's a sexual predator..

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by TDZ View Post
    1. In this link there is no reference at all to prisoners of the state (while it does talk about the government paying for transplants.)

    Organ Transplants: Ethical Issues

    It's safe to assume that the board never discussed this potential scenario because come on, how many of them actually ever deal with individuals such as pedophiles or would ever expect a ward of a state prison in their operating room for a heart transplatn.

    2. Basic Medical Care is what is offered in a hospital emergency room. To answer the question as to whether or not a heart transplant is "basic medical care" ask yourself: Is this procedure currently done in a hospital emergency room for an individual with no insurance?

    3. The state has an obligation to provide reasonable medical care to the prisoner, at taxpayer expense, to ensure he can reasonably live out his natural life. So, is a heart transplant part of his natural life or is it an extension of his natural life? They answer that question in the link I posted above also.

    4. Quality of life - While the merit system has long been determined to not be fair, the quality of life afforded by the transplated organ to it's recipient is. Who will have a better quaity of life? Will it be a pedophile serving time in a state prison under the watchful eye of armed guards or will it be an average Joe who has never broken a law in his life, beyond traffic laws, and wants to help raise his kids and maybe even his grandkids? Which recipient will have a greater quality of life?

    What's my opinion? I personally think we should do the the operation as follows:

    1. Administer local anesthesia to the prisoner's chest.
    2. Utilizing scalpel & rib spreaders let's get him open.
    3. Hook-up the bypass machine to make sure he doesn't die on the table while his heart is out.
    4. Remove his heart.
    5. Place it on a tray right in front of him, just out of reach.
    6. Chop up his heart that was just removed with a meat cleaver.
    7. Leave the room. The anesthesia will wear off eventually.

    But then again, I'm a sick demented individual they say when it comes to kiddie diddlers.

    No transplant is my determination after looking at the material currently available on this topic and upon review of my personal feelings towards perverts.

    ***Touch my kids and I don't care if I've gotten 90 cops on my tail. I'm comin' in full throttle and I will get to you first. While your being dropped in a hole by 6 I will be judged by 12. I'm bettin' that at least one will be a father who thinks like me.
    You are a sick, demented individual and I respect you for it. Did you see "Law Abiding Citizen"? I think you would like it, especially the beginning.
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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    All rapists should eat **** and die.
    Dang it, the one option I forgot to add.
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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You are a sick, demented individual and I respect you for it. Did you see "Law Abiding Citizen"? I think you would like it, especially the beginning.
    Yes, I am a very sick, demented individual. Don't forget serial & twisted in those too. They wanna put me on meds to cure my demented mind but then what great forms of torture would I be able to come up with for these scumbags?

    Of course, we should give the poor pedophile some antibiotics while he's layin' there on the table cut open, hate to see him die of an infection.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The incentive to not be a prisoner is not having to live in jail.
    given that people deliberately commit crimes to get into jail (petty crime spikes in my hometown as winter approaches, for example), that doesnt' strike me as much of a counterincentive to someone seeking to avoid hefty medical bills.

    And yes it is.
    with respect, it's my argument. i think it's a safe bet that I know better where I'm coming from than you do.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by TDZ View Post
    Yes, I am a very sick, demented individual. Don't forget serial & twisted in those too. They wanna put me on meds to cure my demented mind but then what great forms of torture would I be able to come up with for these scumbags?

    Of course, we should give the poor pedophile some antibiotics while he's layin' there on the table cut open, hate to see him die of an infection.

    have you ever read Peter Rothfuss? a favorite phrase that has stuck with me from his books; one character is threatning another

    ...and if you screw me over, I will cut you from neck to navel, pull you open, and splash around inside you like a child in a mud puddle...
    i've admired that imagery ever since i read it.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    3. The state has an obligation to provide reasonable medical care to the prisoner, at taxpayer expense, to ensure he can reasonably live out his natural life. So, is a heart transplant part of his natural life or is it an extension of his natural life? They answer that question in the link I posted above also.

    4. Quality of life - While the merit system has long been determined to not be fair, the quality of life afforded by the transplated organ to it's recipient is. Who will have a better quaity of life? Will it be a pedophile serving time in a state prison under the watchful eye of armed guards or will it be an average Joe who has never broken a law in his life, beyond traffic laws, and wants to help raise his kids and maybe even his grandkids? Which recipient will have a greater quality of life?

    I think these two points by TDZ are perfect. I think a heart transplant is extending you life. Many people cannot afford to have a heart transplant, or any major surgery, even with insurance. And what happens if he is eventually released from jail and then can't afford the meds after that and dies? That is a heart wasted. Or he gets put on some sort of government program to pay for his meds and he continues to be a burden to us. If he cannot do any good by extending his life because he is in jail, then someone else who might cure cancer or do some real good for the world should get the heart. The law may not allow for this as it is now, but I think something should be done to make this right.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    have you ever read Peter Rothfuss? a favorite phrase that has stuck with me from his books; one character is threatning another



    i've admired that imagery ever since i read it.
    You know CP what is great about multiple personalities? The fact that you can't put the innocent in jail. As long as my bad personality is dealin' out vigilante justice and my good personality keeps narcin' on him I'm a free man.

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