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  • He should be released because he's sick and tax payers should pay for the transplant if he cannot.

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  • He should remain in prison and tax payers should pay for his transpla.nt

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  • He should stay in prison and get the transplant if he can raise the money.

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  • He should be released and the tax payers should not be on the hook for his care.

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  • He should remain in prison and he should not get a new heart because he's a sexual predator..

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He should get the transplant -- unless transplant committees address the issue of incarceration. And I would be amazed if they did. What if the guy were in jail for 2 years for stealing a car? We should just let him die?
    gosh, you mean committing a crime might reduce your ability to exercise your freedom or quality of life?

    here's a way of reversing the question:

    by providing exceedingly expensive healthcare to prisoners gratis; aren't we providing people with serious health conditions an incentive to commit crime?

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Solomon.
    What my statement means is that they should cut his heart out, and stop there.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    by providing exceedingly expensive healthcare to prisoners gratis; aren't we providing people with serious health conditions an incentive to commit crime?

    When I first got diagnosed with isolated left ventricular non-compaction and told a heart transplant is in my future I entertained the thought about that. But is that how I would want spend the last 5 years of my life? Nah.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    1. In this link there is no reference at all to prisoners of the state (while it does talk about the government paying for transplants.)

    Organ Transplants: Ethical Issues

    It's safe to assume that the board never discussed this potential scenario because come on, how many of them actually ever deal with individuals such as pedophiles or would ever expect a ward of a state prison in their operating room for a heart transplatn.

    2. Basic Medical Care is what is offered in a hospital emergency room. To answer the question as to whether or not a heart transplant is "basic medical care" ask yourself: Is this procedure currently done in a hospital emergency room for an individual with no insurance?

    3. The state has an obligation to provide reasonable medical care to the prisoner, at taxpayer expense, to ensure he can reasonably live out his natural life. So, is a heart transplant part of his natural life or is it an extension of his natural life? They answer that question in the link I posted above also.

    4. Quality of life - While the merit system has long been determined to not be fair, the quality of life afforded by the transplated organ to it's recipient is. Who will have a better quaity of life? Will it be a pedophile serving time in a state prison under the watchful eye of armed guards or will it be an average Joe who has never broken a law in his life, beyond traffic laws, and wants to help raise his kids and maybe even his grandkids? Which recipient will have a greater quality of life?

    What's my opinion? I personally think we should do the the operation as follows:

    1. Administer local anesthesia to the prisoner's chest.
    2. Utilizing scalpel & rib spreaders let's get him open.
    3. Hook-up the bypass machine to make sure he doesn't die on the table while his heart is out.
    4. Remove his heart.
    5. Place it on a tray right in front of him, just out of reach.
    6. Chop up his heart that was just removed with a meat cleaver.
    7. Leave the room. The anesthesia will wear off eventually.

    But then again, I'm a sick demented individual they say when it comes to kiddie diddlers.

    No transplant is my determination after looking at the material currently available on this topic and upon review of my personal feelings towards perverts.

    ***Touch my kids and I don't care if I've gotten 90 cops on my tail. I'm comin' in full throttle and I will get to you first. While your being dropped in a hole by 6 I will be judged by 12. I'm bettin' that at least one will be a father who thinks like me.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    by providing exceedingly expensive healthcare to prisoners gratis; aren't we providing people with serious health conditions an incentive to commit crime?
    This is more of a complaint about how atrociously hard it is to receive such expensive but necessary healthcare with no, or limited insurance instead of how prisoners receive healthcare.
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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This is more of a complaint about how atrociously hard it is to receive such expensive but necessary healthcare with no, or limited insurance instead of how prisoners receive healthcare.
    not really, it's pointing out that policies have unintended consequences. giving prisoners expensive beneifts = lowering the incentive not to be a prisoner.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    We, as a society, have determined that his crimes were not sufficient to warrant death and we have stripped him of his capacity to earn a living, including insurance. If we deny him the transplant, that is the equivalent of upgrading his sentence to the death penalty without a trial. While I am certainly comfortable with imposing the death penalty on those who abuse children, it must be done legally and in compliance with due process.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not really, it's pointing out that policies have unintended consequences. giving prisoners expensive beneifts = lowering the incentive not to be a prisoner.
    The incentive to not be a prisoner is not having to live in jail. And yes it is.
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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    He should remain in prison and get the transplant at tax payers expense.

    He was sentenced, and he should fulfil that sentence.
    he should absolutely NOT receive a transplant at taxpayer's expense.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    All rapists should eat **** and die.
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