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  • He should be released because he's sick and tax payers should pay for the transplant if he cannot.

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  • He should remain in prison and tax payers should pay for his transpla.nt

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  • He should stay in prison and get the transplant if he can raise the money.

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  • He should be released and the tax payers should not be on the hook for his care.

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  • He should remain in prison and he should not get a new heart because he's a sexual predator..

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Same thing really, and necessary medical needs are a basic need, and heart transplants is a necessary medical need. It would be unconstitutional to not give him the same treatment any other prisoner would get, because of his crime.
    true, so all criminals suffer the same....have his relatives on the outside do fund raisers like they do for innocent children with cancer.....
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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    true, so all criminals suffer the same....have his relatives on the outside do fund raisers like they do for innocent children with cancer.....
    That would be cruel and unusual, like I said before, it's hard to swallow, but it's our law.
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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    I think he should still get the heart transplant. It would be cruel and unusual punishment to deny him medically necessary procedures and would be akin to illegally giving him the death penalty. I don't like that we have to pay for it, but the state should pay for his procedure and allow him to have the heart transplant. He was sentenced to serve time, not to die or sentenced to never be released. Even in jail he still has a life.
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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Here are the rules on organ transplant. I didn't see anything in there about a prisoner getting one.

    OPTN: Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network


    and here is the financial info:

    Transplant Living: Organ Donation and Transplantation Information for Patients

    In the first year alone the average expense is 787k. The monthly bill for anti rejection drugs alone runs 1k to 2k per month and that is for life. Also there are regular biopsies.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Thanks, I think it's an interesting question. I probably should have made it multiple choice. I'm actually torn myself between letting him have the transplant if he can pay for it and not letting him have it at all. I think if he were released, for sure the tax payers should not have to pay for it.



    What if he were on death row (say he killed his victim)? Would your answer change?

    Yes. If he were on death row, although I don't agree with the death penalty, he has already received a death sentence. I don't think we are obligated to keep him alive in order to kill him later.
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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    see, my question is a bit more basic. why is a child rapist living long enough to need a heart transplant?

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What's funny is I used "child molester" in an attempt to use the least possible incindiery term. I coulda called him a kiddy diddler, child rapist or sexual predator (<----this one is an actual valid description).
    To be honest, whatever term you choose to use will not really change the reality - that this hypothetical person we're talking about deserves love and support, just as you and I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I don't disagree with you for the most part, but I think child molesters are the lowest of the low. I think I could probably overlook any other crime, even murder, when looking at who gets a heart, but sex offenders are in a class all by themselves.
    I understand that you feel very strongly about this, and I am not telling you to change your mind. My view is that if we can excuse the suffering of another human being so cavalierly, then it is likely to contribute to a situation where others can treat you and I similarly in our moments of desperation.

    If you have ever faced death or even almost died, you will know that it completely changes the game, or at least gives it a powerful potential to.

    I believe in even a child molester's sovereignty of life, and for them to be allowed to reach out to others for support. In doing so, we not only cultivate compassion for that person over there, but for ourselves as well.

    No matter what you have done in your life X that others may try to judge you for, I would extend the same courtesy to you.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Obviously the answer is "yes." Denial of healthcare is not an accepted criminal penalty.

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Technically he is a ward of the state, and the state is responsible for all prisoners well being, and I think not treating a medical issue just because they are a heinous criminal, I think would violate the constitution, so I think he should get the transplant.
    But, not treating a medical condition because the person is old is fine?

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    Re: Should a Convicted Child Molester Get a Heart Transplant at Tax Payer Expense?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Denying the medically necessary procedure would be akin to imposing a death sentence and we do not have the death penalty for child molestation in this country. The Constitution does not allow for it.
    Nonsense. Life is a death sentence. I suppose if this man threatened 6o kill himself if we didn't turn him loose and give in a job in the Head Start Program, we would be killing him if we didn't turn him loose. Actually, we hear this death penalty whine every time an old person is convicted. Bernie Madoff's sentence is a "death sentence" because he's old.

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