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Herman Cain for president?

Would you vote for Herman Cain for president?

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Centrist77 said:
oh brother, why are you trying to change my discussion, why are you trying to change the debate, do you think thats going to work? LMAO
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Do you really think you've proven anything by repeating, "MANY PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEREFORE WRONG ROFLMAO!"

All you've done is prove that not every single Muslim doesn't believe in separation of church and state which cpwill never argued.

The "fact" is that apolitical Islam is much less common and much less theologically mainstream than apolitical Christianity, and that fact is grounded in Islam's historical jurisprudential role in Muslim government. cpwill proved that. You did not disprove it.

So with all due respect, stop lol'ing. You've proven nothing.

Also --- Herman Cain.
 
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Jeezy said:
Do you really think you've proven anything by repeating, "MANY PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEREFORE WRONG ROFLMAO!"

All you've done is prove that not every single Muslim doesn't believe in separation of church and state which cpwill never argued.

The "fact" is that apolitical Islam is much less common and much less theologically mainstream than apolitical Christianity, and that fact is grounded in Islam's historical jurisprudential role in Muslim government. cpwill proved that. You did not disprove it.

So with all due respect, stop lol'ing. You've proven nothing.

Also --- Herman Cain.
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LMAO
sorry try to keep up, you have no clue what you are talking about. I made a statement that was true and factual about muslims and prejudging them is wrong, illogical, knee jerk and or bigoted. He keeps spouting off about some of the teachings of islam as if it changes anything I was debating or said, it doesnt. Now he keeps attacking and changing the goal post and back peddling but I wont let him nor do I care LOL

I NEVER ONCE tried to say that there arent islam teachings that revolve around government also so again, you have no clue what you are talking about. All i have ever said is that him ranting about those parts of islam does NOTHING to my ORIGINAL point which I stuck to no matter how hard he tried to derail it or saying irrelevant points that held no merit to my debate. LMAO

so again I HAVE proved all that I needed and didnt NOT try to prove ANYTHING else which he TRIED to imply and now you are doing the same but you both fail :D

thanks :2wave:
 
Centrist77 said:
LMAO
sorry try to keep up, you have no clue what you are talking about. I made a statement that was true and factual about muslims and prejudging them is wrong, illogical, knee jerk and or bigoted. He keeps spouting off about some of the teachings of islam as if it changes anything I was debating or said, it doesnt. Now he keeps attacking and changing the goal post and back peddling but I wont let him nor do I care LOL

I NEVER ONCE tried to say that there arent islam teachings that revolve around government also so again, you have no clue what you are talking about. All i have ever said is that him ranting about those parts of islam does NOTHING to my ORIGINAL point which I stuck to no matter how hard he tried to derail it or saying irrelevant points that held no merit to my debate. LMAO

so again I HAVE proved all that I needed and didnt NOT try to prove ANYTHING else which he TRIED to imply and now you are doing the same but you both fail :D

thanks :2wave:
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Being a bigot is wrong. Making a logical assumption based on what mainstream Islam teaches is right, and using that assumption to inform policy is right.

cpwill qualified the difference between the two, and how it is not necessarily bigotry to do the latter, even if it leads you to a conclusion that may not be a positive one. That's not illogical, not knee-jerk, and not bigoted. So I still fail to see why you're LOLing.
 
Jeezy said:
Being a bigot is wrong. Making a logical assumption based on what mainstream Islam teaches is right, and using that assumption to inform policy is right.

cpwill qualified the difference between the two, and how it is not necessarily bigotry to do the latter, even if it leads you to a conclusion that may not be a positive one. That's not illogical, not knee-jerk, and not bigoted. So I still fail to see why you're LOLing.
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Has explained earlier in more parts of the thread you obviously didnt read I am always going to laugh when I read something, funny, ignorant, entertaining and or just plain sill. I also laugh when presenting the same logic against oneself when it doesnt make sense :)

Im "LOLing" due to the fact and reality that religion is practiced on an individual basis more than anything else, THATS whats logical. And what Cain did is 100% illogical, knee jerk and or bigoted, pick one thats a fact. SHould I judge all christians, Catholics? buddist? the same? LOL NO it would be 100% illogical, knee jerk and or bigoted no matter what type of spin you try and put on it. ;)
 
Centrist77 said:
Has explained earlier in more parts of the thread you obviously didnt read I am always going to laugh when I read something, funny, ignorant, entertaining and or just plain sill. I also laugh when presenting the same logic against oneself when it doesnt make sense :)

Im "LOLing" due to the fact and reality that religion is practiced on an individual basis more than anything else, THATS whats logical. And what Cain did is 100% illogical, knee jerk and or bigoted, pick one thats a fact. SHould I judge all christians, Catholics? buddist? the same? LOL NO it would be 100% illogical, knee jerk and or bigoted no matter what type of spin you try and put on it. ;)
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...okay, so you don't believe that anything could be logically assumed or deduced about a religion in general based on its mainstream teachings? Okay. That's fine. You can go ahead and believe that. It's a belief that substitutes reality, as well as several centuries of Islamic teaching, for the belief that it's impossible to make a logical deduction about what "most" people in a religion believe based on what "most" people in a religion are taught.

But you can believe that. It's kinda the equivalent of you saying, "Most Republicans disagree with me. But since political beliefs are individual beliefs, it is impossible for me to assume that most Republicans disagree with me, even though I KNOW they do."

That's fine by me.
 
Jeezy said:
...okay, so you don't believe that anything could be logically assumed or deduced about a religion in general based on its mainstream teachings? Okay. That's fine. You can go ahead and believe that. It's a belief that substitutes reality, as well as several centuries of Islamic teaching, for the belief that it's impossible to make a logical deduction about what "most" people in a religion believe based on what "most" people in a religion are taught.

But you can believe that. It's kinda the equivalent of you saying, "Most Republicans disagree with me. But since political beliefs are individual beliefs, it is impossible for me to assume that most Republicans disagree with me, even though I KNOW they do."

That's fine by me.
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LOL wow thats nice hyperbole, nice dramatics. Did I say that I dont think ANYTHING can be logically assumed or deduced, nope thats just you being dramatic to feel better about your wrong stance.

Sorry reality is on my said whether you like or not LMAO

I mean are you are saying its fair and logical to think all muslims want to overthrow the american government even the ones here and that are in political office or might want to work for Herman Cain, are you saying that? are you saying thats logically?

according to YOUR logic you already provided its a simple yes or no answer, if you give any other answer besides yes or no you are already back pedaling and showing your flawed logic. Ill be waiting for your answer, yes or no. Time to man up!

Is its fair and logical to think all muslims want to overthrow the american government, even the ones already here and that are in political office or might want to work for Herman Cain, YES OR NO?
 
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Centrist77 said:
LOL wow thats nice hyperbole, nice dramatics. Did I say that I dont think ANYTHING cant be logically assumed or deduced, nope thats just you being dramatic to feel better about your wrong stance.
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Alright, so you can't go back to that anymore.

Centrist77 said:
I mean are you are saying its fair and logical to think all muslims want to overthrow the american government even the ones here and that are in political office or might want to work for Herman Cain, are you saying that? are you saying thats logically?

according to YOUR logic you already provided its a simple yes or no answer, if you give any other answer besides yes or no you are already back pedaling and showing your flawed logic. Ill be waiting for your answer, yes or no. Time to man up!

Is its fair and logical to think all muslims want to overthrow the american government, even the ones already here and that are in political office or might want to work for Herman Cain, YES OR NO?
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Umm...No. According to my logic, it isn't bigoted to assume what most Muslims want to do based on what most practicing and believing Muslims are taught. I've already gone back and said that neither side (you or cpwill) have utilized the world "all" in pushing what they want. The fact is, if you objectively know what a majority of people believe, then it is not bigoted to assume and it is not bigoted to take certain precautionary measures (checks at airports).

But according to you, ANY assumption about the general body of belief is impossible -- a belief that you've now backtracked on.

I bid you good day.
 
Jeezy said:
Alright, so you can't go back to that anymore.



Umm...No. According to my logic, it isn't bigoted to assume what most Muslims want to do based on what most practicing and believing Muslims are taught. I've already gone back and said that neither side (you or cpwill) have utilized the world "all" in pushing what they want. The fact is, if you objectively know what a majority of people believe, then it is not bigoted to assume and it is not bigoted to take certain precautionary measures (checks at airports).

But according to you, ANY assumption about the general body of belief is impossible -- a belief that you've now backtracked on.

I bid you good day.
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thank you for proving my point, you couldnt man up and just answer yes and no, you had to give me qualifiers, and fillers and excuses to make yourself feel better about your wrong opinion, this is exactly what I knew you would do.

and again with more dramatics I NEVER said your last part, thanks for playing and helping me make my point:2wave:
 
Remember all the outcry of political experience coming from the right on Obama. I have a question where is this man "political experience"?
 
Oh, my! Seems Herman Cain was against Muslim before he was for them ...
Herman Cain wants to correct the record: He would consider a Muslim for his cabinet or as a federal judge if he’s elected president.

Cain’s clarification comes two months after he initially said he wouldn’t have any Muslim appointees, stoking controversy and criticism from a leading Muslim advocacy group.

“That statement is not what I said. It has been misconstrued,” Cain told Glenn Beck on his radio show Tuesday.​

... but a couple of months ago, that's what he said ...

Would you be comfortable appointing a Muslim, either in your cabinet or as a federal judge?

No, I would not. And here’s why. There is this creeping attempt, there is this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government. It does not belong in our government.​
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Oh, my! Seems Herman Cain was against Muslim before he was for them ...
Herman Cain wants to correct the record: He would consider a Muslim for his cabinet or as a federal judge if he’s elected president.

Cain’s clarification comes two months after he initially said he wouldn’t have any Muslim appointees, stoking controversy and criticism from a leading Muslim advocacy group.

“That statement is not what I said. It has been misconstrued,” Cain told Glenn Beck on his radio show Tuesday.​

... but a couple of months ago, that's what he said ...

Would you be comfortable appointing a Muslim, either in your cabinet or as a federal judge?

No, I would not. And here’s why. There is this creeping attempt, there is this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government. It does not belong in our government.​
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My, what a lovely reversal. I'm deducting five points for his lying about saying it in the first place. Own your own, Mr. Cain.
 
actually he clarified later i think either the same or the next day - that he wouldn't appoint any Muslim that wasn't willing to let US Law supercede Sharia (which is against their Religion). :shrug: you can argue that he probably thinks that such a group would be a small minority, or that he might be biased in assuming that a Muslim under consideration wouldn't, and I agree that the response is problematic and troubling for a man who wants to be our Chief Diplomat.

But were he running for President, for every "Cain Wouldn't Hire A Muslim" ad, Republicans could run a "Obama Wants Hispanics To Punish Their Enemies" one, or (depending on the location) "Obama Administration Protects Black Panthers" one. I would think they would tend to negate.
 
Jeezy said:
Alright, so you can't go back to that anymore.

Umm...No. According to my logic, it isn't bigoted to assume what most Muslims want to do based on what most practicing and believing Muslims are taught. I've already gone back and said that neither side (you or cpwill) have utilized the world "all" in pushing what they want. The fact is, if you objectively know what a majority of people believe, then it is not bigoted to assume and it is not bigoted to take certain precautionary measures (checks at airports).

But according to you, ANY assumption about the general body of belief is impossible -- a belief that you've now backtracked on.

I bid you good day.
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Centrist77 said:
thank you for proving my point, you couldnt man up and just answer yes and no, you had to give me qualifiers, and fillers and excuses to make yourself feel better about your wrong opinion, this is exactly what I knew you would do.

and again with more dramatics I NEVER said your last part, thanks for playing and helping me make my point:2wave:
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hilarious. Jeezy answers you with facts, reasonableness, history, and evidence, and you respond with the equivalent of calling him a poo-poo head.

sometimes, centrist, it's better just to walk away.
 
I don't think he's too bright.

He thought that Democrat women would vote for Sarah Palin because they were upset that Hillary Clinton didn't get the nomination.

First of all, Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton, and second, democrat women are not idiots, that will vote for a woman just because she is a woman. Sarah Palin is an empty suit, with not a good handle on vocabulary - we don't need another President stumbling over their words. So, Cain, is not too bright in that way of thinking.
 
cpwill said:
hilarious. Jeezy answers you with facts, reasonableness, history, and evidence, and you respond with the equivalent of calling him a poo-poo head.

sometimes, centrist, it's better just to walk away.
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Wow nothing is further from the truth, seems you need to reread it, He dodged and backpedled LMAO
nice try though, some people live in reality and some dont :D
 
cpwill said:
actually he clarified later i think either the same or the next day - that he wouldn't appoint any Muslim that wasn't willing to let US Law supercede Sharia (which is against their Religion). :shrug: you can argue that he probably thinks that such a group would be a small minority, or that he might be biased in assuming that a Muslim under consideration wouldn't, and I agree that the response is problematic and troubling for a man who wants to be our Chief Diplomat.

But were he running for President, for every "Cain Wouldn't Hire A Muslim" ad, Republicans could run a "Obama Wants Hispanics To Punish Their Enemies" one, or (depending on the location) "Obama Administration Protects Black Panthers" one. I would think they would tend to negate.
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And, as usual, both candidates would come from the mutual mud sling dripping with goo, and expecting us to vote for one or the other.

Negative campaigning must work for the candidate, but just look at who is being elected by using such a tactic. Kakistrocricy, anyone?
 
I appreciated that he said he would not have any Muslims in his administration. I also liked his stance on immigration, national security, and securing the border. He lost me though, when he started talking about tax cuts. National leaders have to get real about taxes on the rich. They are very low right now, and have been for the last 30 years. If they (top bracket rates) had been at normal rates (70-94%), we wouldn't be in the fix we are now.

When you have a $14 Trillion budget deficit, you don't engage in UNDERtaxation. :roll:
 
Scanner said:
I appreciated that he said he would not have any Muslims in his administration. I also liked his stance on immigration, national security, and securing the border. He lost me though, when he started talking about tax cuts. National leaders have to get real about taxes on the rich. They are very low right now, and have been for the last 30 years. If they (top bracket rates) had been at normal rates (70-94%), we wouldn't be in the fix we are now.

When you have a $14 Trillion budget deficit, you don't engage in UNDERtaxation. :roll:
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Raising taxes significantly wouldn't do much to bring down the deficit.

I think it would be better to spur economic growth(and job creation) by lowering the tax rate.
 
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I think I would like a Cain/Bachmann ticket

Yep, that sounds like a good match
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
I think I would like a Cain/Bachmann ticket

Yep, that sounds like a good match
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That would only guarantee victory for the other side.
 
here's the latest poll:

Mitt Romney has the lead in PPP’s first Iowa poll since Mike Huckabee and Donald Trump exited the race, but with six different candidates polling in double digits it’s clear this thing is wide open.

Romney polls at 21%. Sarah Palin and Herman Cain are tied for second at 15%. Newt Gingrich is 4th with 12%, Michele Bachmann 5th with 11%, Tim Pawlenty 6th with 10%, Ron Paul 7th with 8%, and Jon Huntsman 8th with 0% (only one respondent to the poll picked him.) 8% said they supported someone else or were undecided.
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So, Romney, who just declared, is running first, followed Palin (who hasn't declared and most likely won't run, IMO) and Herman Cain, who still lacks name recognition.

Of course, polls at this point are much like weather forecasts: Pretty good for the next couple of days, meaningless beyond next week.
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
No

They are both smart and have high positive intensity levels
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Smart how?
entertainment and self promoting wise? I agree

President wise absolutley not and I gurantee they never make it and they arent postive to anybody objective. They are both part of the problem with politics and not the solutions. lol
 
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