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Herman Cain for president?

Would you vote for Herman Cain for president?

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Barbbtx said:
And you're excusing all those journalists who purposely went out to destroy her to assure Obama got the presidency.
guess you don't care anything about truth in the media.
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I think we just need to get over this odd notion that people who give the news will somehow magically be unbiased.
 
cpwill said:
and then he was asked if he would appoint a Muslim that would place US Law over Shariah Law and he said he would.

:) context matters - though I agree it's problematic and will probably hurt him in the campaign. He doesn't seem to realize yet the extent to which the media will highlight issues that they use to attack republicans and cover up similar statements by Democrats. I don't see this as any worse than Obama's claim that his grandmother - like a "typical white person" - feared blacks.
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When I heard him say to Soros funded, Think Progress "No I would not" just that fast... well it felt like my heart dropped to my stomach. I thought, ****, it's all over, just because he's so damn honest. For a minute, I wished he'd lied, it would have been so easy. But that's not who he is.
However, I think he can get past it. I worry about sharia law myself.
 
Barbbtx said:
Cain worries about creeping sharia law in government. He will only appoint people to his cabinet, if he is convinced they will uphold the constitution. Since Islam is not just a religion but also a political belief, can we be assured of that from those who take the oath on the Koran? Just asking..
A man in the position of POTUS needs to surround himself with people he has complete faith in.
One things for sure, he wouldn't be appointing communists and socialists like someone else we know.
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How the hell is sharia law going to creep into government? Islam is not also a political belief. You could make that same argument for Christianity or any other of the religions that you are ok with. In reference to your question, yes. Ron Paul took a Hippocratic oath when he became a doctor. Are you worried that that oath will supercede the constitution if he becomes President, or are you just worried about muslims? Where did you learn your history of world religions? Just asking!

The majority of muslims want a secularized government. That's why we're seeing all of these peaceful secular protests in the middle east.
 
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BDBoop said:
I appreciate you taking the time to write all that out.

See - here's the thing. I don't do TV. I barely do computer. I go to news.google.com and read when I feel like it. People do something like oh, I don't know; writing their notes on their hand? That's the kind of thing I hear about. So all I know is the really stupid stuff she actually truly did.
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I know a few women who jot down stuff on their hand. My friend just did it the other day when she remembered something else to add to her shopping list after she's already put it in her purse.
They made a big deal out of Sarah but ignored the Dem woman who also wrote on her hand for a debate. That is against the rules. She was cheating, not just trying to remind herself of something.
 
Gargantuan said:
How the hell is sharia law going to creep into government? Islam is not also a political belief
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actually, yes, it is. uniquely so, in fact. Mohammed founded a faith, a government, and an army - and he didn't draw any distinctions between them.
 
You blew off my entire post other than one statement, thank you!

Anyway, that is irrelevant. Modern muslims do not believe in sharia law. You are absolutely crazy if you think run of the mill muslims want to have sharia law in the United States. Sharia law itself is starting to crumble around the world anyway.
 
Gargantuan said:
How the hell is sharia law going to creep into government? Islam is not also a political belief. You could make that same argument for Christianity or any other of the religions that you are ok with. In reference to your question, yes. Ron Paul took a Hippocratic oath when he became a doctor. Are you worried that that oath will supercede the constitution if he becomes President, or are you just worried about muslims? Where did you learn your history of world religions? Just asking!

The majority of muslims want a secularized government. That's why we're seeing all of these peaceful secular protests in the middle east.
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Google Political christianity and then Google political Islam. Islam is not just a religion.

Political Islam
Political aspects of Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robin Wright "Islam and Liberal Democracy: Two Visions Of Reformation"

Sharīʿah (Arabic: شريعة‎ šarīʿah, IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa], "way" or "path") is the code of conduct or religious law of Islam. Most Muslims believe Sharia is derived from two primary sources of Islamic law: the precepts set forth in the Qur'an, and the example set by the Islamic Prophet Muhammad in the Sunnah. Fiqh jurisprudence interprets and extends the application of Sharia to questions not directly addressed in the primary sources by including secondary sources. These secondary sources usually include the consensus of the religious scholars embodied in ijma, and analogy from the Qur'an and Sunnah through qiyas. Shia jurists prefer to apply reasoning ('aql) rather than analogy in order to address difficult questions.
Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but they differ as to what exactly it entails.[1] Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well.
Sharia deals with many topics addressed by secular law, including crime, politics and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexuality, hygiene, diet, prayer, and fasting. Where it enjoys official status, Sharia is applied by Islamic judges, or qadis. The imam has varying responsibilities depending on the interpretation of Sharia; while the term is commonly used to refer to the leader of communal prayers, the imam may also be a scholar, religious leader, or political leader.
Sharia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why Sharia Law Must Be Opposed
 
Gargantuan said:
You blew off my entire post other than one statement, thank you!

Anyway, that is irrelevant. Modern muslims do not believe in sharia law. You are absolutely crazy if you think run of the mill muslims want to have sharia law in the United States. Sharia law itself is starting to crumble around the world anyway.
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Yea, I can see that :roll:

From Magna Carta to Sharia Law



American Thinker: Sharia Law in Canada and Britain

Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts -Times Online

Sharia law is spreading as authority wanes - Telegraph

Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors | Mail Online
 
I truly hope he doesn't win the Republican primary, which he has a good chance of doing since the paleo-conservatives have taken over the party. If he wins, then I'll have to choose between a Democratic president who I tend to disagree with ideologically, and a Republican candidate who represents everything moronic about the right wing.
 
cpwill said:
the point is there for comparison - all politicians utilize teleprompters. however, Obama does not get blasted as "stupid" for using one by the general media - Palin instead get's blasted as stupid because she didn't need one instead. Pick any politician about whom the media has fawned over as "intelligent" (as they did over the President) and the model still fits.

and I do write stuff on my hands. When I was in school that's how I kept track of my homework. Now, it's how I keep track of projects when I move from one location to the other - or leave note for myself to remind myself of tasks I want to get done during the day.

for example, two or so days ago i read a Prickly City comic and enjoyed the bit quite alot because it reminded me of some posters here. So i wrote "prickly city" on my left palm as a reminder that when I got back to my computer after work, I could look up the cartoon on line and post it to the Political Cartoons thread.

here it is: The Ryan Budget Discussed.

what, you think I am lying to you to protect someone that I hope doesn't run for any office ever again? :confused: how would that work?
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I seriously thought that was a woman thing. ;)
 
Barbbtx said:
I'm not asking for any of that. The point is, muslims in the United States do not want Sharia law imposed in the government. To say that you refuse to appoint someone to a government job because of that is a violation of the constitution's separation of church and state provisions, and with that said, bigotry. And yes, it is losing traction. That's why oppressive regimes in the middle east are falling.
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Gargantuan said:
You blew off my entire post other than one statement, thank you!

Anyway, that is irrelevant. Modern muslims do not believe in sharia law. You are absolutely crazy if you think run of the mill muslims want to have sharia law in the United States. Sharia law itself is starting to crumble around the world anyway.
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not paying much attention to europe, are you?
 
Gargantuan said:
I'm not asking for any of that. The point is, muslims in the United States do not want Sharia law imposed in the government. To say that you refuse to appoint someone to a government job because of that is a violation of the constitution's separation of church and state provisions, and with that said, bigotry. And yes, it is losing traction. That's why oppressive regimes in the middle east are falling.
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you do realize that it is the islamists who are leading those movements?

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:rofl: secular regimes like Mubaraks are falling because the people are angry at his imposition of Sharia Law, which is why they are replacing him with the Muslim Brotherhood :mrgreen:
 
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He has no shot. None.
 
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Barbbtx said:
I'm not asking for any of that. The point is, muslims in the United States do not want Sharia law imposed in the government. To say that you refuse to appoint someone to a government job because of that is a violation of the constitution's separation of church and state provisions, and with that said, bigotry. And yes, it is losing traction. That's why oppressive regimes in the middle east are falling.
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Are you saying president Obama doesn't have the right to choose who he wants to surround himself with? Maybe that's why we ended up with commies and socialists in the white house. Obama was forced to appoint them.
As far as separation of church and state. Islam, does not separate their religion from their politics. Don't you see how that could be a problem?
From everything i've been hearing, sharia law is gaining traction in countries like Britain where they kept letting it creep in more and more. now it's becoming a problem.
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Kali said:
He has no shot. None.
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Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
I imagine being very liberal as you are, a man like Herman Cain would seem pretty frightening. He wants to drill!:shocked2: He wants to reform our entitlement programs.:shock: He wants to put guns(with bullets) on our southern borders:afraid:
 
Barbbtx said:
Gargantuan said:
Are you saying president Obama doesn't have the right to choose who he wants to surround himself with? Maybe that's why we ended up with commies and socialists in the white house. Obama was forced to appoint them.
As far as separation of church and state. Islam, does not separate their religion from their politics. Don't you see how that could be a problem?
From everything i've been hearing, sharia law is gaining traction in countries like Britain where they kept letting it creep in more and more. now it's becoming a problem.
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Commies and socialists in the white house? Really? I mean REALLY?:roll:
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Barbbtx said:
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
I imagine being very liberal as you are, a man like Herman Cain would seem pretty frightening. He wants to drill!:shocked2: He wants to reform our entitlement programs.:shock: He wants to put guns(with bullets) on our southern borders:afraid:
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Did you make the mistake of thinking I am Scared? If so? You best check yourself as there is nothing frightening about Cain.
 
Kali said:
He has no shot. None.
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Correct, he has no political experience, he has never run for political office. Almost no one has heard of him, political investors will not donate to him. Besides, I've heard Godfathers Pizza is awful.

Barbbtx said:
Are you saying president Obama doesn't have the right to choose who he wants to surround himself with? Maybe that's why we ended up with commies and socialists in the white house. Obama was forced to appoint them.
As far as separation of church and state. Islam, does not separate their religion from their politics. Don't you see how that could be a problem?
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That's quite a load of Glenn Beck Koolaid to swallow....:lamo
 
Barbbtx said:
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
I imagine being very liberal as you are, a man like Herman Cain would seem pretty frightening. He wants to drill!:shocked2: He wants to reform our entitlement programs.:shock: He wants to put guns(with bullets) on our southern borders:afraid:
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I listened to his speech announcing his run for president. He is a good speaker I grant you that.
I thought it was odd he kept saying he was a leader not a reader then minutes later look down at his notes but who cares.

He proposed a lot he would do but I want to hear him be specific as to what he really thinks he can do. I don't think anyone is capable of turning things around in four years.
We are a country of consumers and hardly make anything anymore. Does he think we can compete with the low wages of China and India? I want to hear more how he thinks we can compete.

As for the border, we already have guns and bullets. There is more to the border than the soundbites we are fed I think. There are a lot of businesses than depend on illegal workers and I don't know how much power they have but even when Republicans had control of both houses the border was not touched.
 
Barbbtx said:
Their are plenty of socialists and Van Jones was a commie. He'd still be there if a stink wasn't raised about him.
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Van Jones isn't a commie, sure when he was young he made that claim, but that doesn't make him one. One of Glenn Beck's biggest fans, David Horowitz, was once a Marxist and his parents were Communists. Now he is a stauch conservative.
 
Barbbtx said:
Their are plenty of socialists and Van Jones was a commie. He'd still be there if a stink wasn't raised about him.
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Yes, he was a commie...when he was young. He was a capitalist when he was in the WH. I will admit, there are plenty of socialists in the WH, if you change the meaning of the word socialist to mean liberal. If you use the actual definition of the word socialist, then no, there is not.
 
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