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Herman Cain for president?

Would you vote for Herman Cain for president?


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Obama Gaffes :lamo

My fellow Americans in all 57 states, the time has changed for come. With our country founded more than 20 centuries ago, we have much to celebrate - from the FBI's 100 days to the reforms that bring greater inefficiencies to our health care system. We know that countries like Europe are willing to stand with us in our fight to halt the rise of privacy, and Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. And let's face it, everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma and they end up taking up a hospital bed. It costs, when, if you, they just gave, you gave them treatment early, and they got some treatment, and ah, a breathalyzer, or an inhalator. I mean, not a breathalyzer, ah, I don't know what the term is in Austrian for that...
A Thanksgiving Message to All 57 States - Sarah Palin - Fox Nation
 
you mean the social conservatives? well yes, she's one of them. but you seem to have "social conservatives" mixed up with "nuts".

the nuts embrace anyone that comes along that they can seize on. unless you want to give Obama credit for the new black panthers?



dude, as a general matter I agree that Palin can't stop talking, but the McCain camp was run by fools.

The McCain camp was run by fools.....and it was those fools that convinced him to pick an idiot like Palin in a hail mary attempt to salvage his campagin. For the sake of our country its a blessing that it didn't work.

....that said....I'm not confusing anything. Social Conservative are radical NUTS. I can respect Barry Goldwater true conservatives....but the extremist evangelical social agenda embraced by the so called big government "Social Conservatives" is simply wacko.
 
I really get upset when she sticks up for herself or her family and people say she's just playing the victim card. Or she somehow brought it on herself. Kind of like blaming the victim of a rape instead of the rapist.
If anyone has been unfairly villified by the media, it's Sarah Palin and her family. And it was all done to protect the one they had already decided was going to be president.


See.....she has played the victim card....and you have swallowed it hook, line and sinker. There is no one that plays the martyr card better than Palin...and what you should be upset about is that she uses her family in every way to manipulate you.
 
Obama Gaffes :lamo

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What you are missing Barb is that there is a big difference betweena gaffe....and being completely clueless and uneducated. Palin displayed on numerous ocassions that she was ignorant of the very basics that you would expect from someone seeking the second highest position in the country. People can forgive the gaffes, but not the lack of intelligence.
 
yup.... and now they all believe it.... :) and they think they are so wise and cynical and knowing.

"They all" who, Will.
 
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This guy is a piece of garbage. He won't appoint a muslim to his cabinet or courts because they believe in Allah. What a load of crap.
 
He's trending in the second spot on news.google.com for most searched.
 
"They all" who, Will.

the entire "OMG she's, like SO STUPID and RIGHT NUT WINGER and stuff, like, Man!" crowd.

look, i agree she doesn't sound intelligent on television. but neither would I - that's why I come here and type so i can look at my words before i "say" them. sounding intelligent is different from actually being intelligent - anyone who has worked with former President Bush W, for example, will tell you that the man is a voracious reader and a great student of history. but to hear the man speak? Oye Vei, no wonder comedians accused him of sticking coloring books.

Sarah Palin, whatever else she has or has not done, successfully ran an insurgent campaign against one of the more "entrenched interest" parties (and a sitting Republican Governor) in the country (Alaskan Republican party was bad - I was quite relieved when Ted Stevens lost. Even though it helped Democrats achieve a fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate, it was worth it to cleanse the party name of that man) to become the youngest person and the first woman to be governor of her state. then she did it again once she got into office (she wasn't very popular with significant sections of her states' party over this), negotiated (and beat) several multinational oil companies into increasing their payments to her state, was listed as one of America's most successful reformer governors (and hilariously, as a moderate, by Time Magazine), and since then, has built a national movement and a multimillion dollar industry around herself. You don't do that if you are an incompetent idiot.

Far right wing hard core Republican? The woman lodged charges against her own party chairman for corruption, joined with a Democrat Senator in forcing out a Republican Attorney General over ethics issues, unseated a sitting Republican Governor by running on a clean government platform, and then upon getting into office, swiftly expanded the rights of homosexual partners and raised taxes.

can anyone name for me a single Republican Presidential candidate today willing to run for office on a platform of getting rid of anyone in the Republican Party with questionable ethics, expanding the rights of homosexual partners of federal employees, and raising taxes?

was Palin the victim of the media? no, she put herself out there and has since refused to shut up. You can't be the "victim" of someone you're in a shooting war with. I would say that her family has been, and that makes me worry for Cheri Daniels. But Sarah absolutely was the subject of an organized media hit job that successfully "defined" her public image. I fault her and the McCain campaign for not being able to predict and overcome such a move - when you are the Republican running for President, obviously MSNBC, CNN, and WaPo aren't in your corner. To not have a media strategy designed to beat this kind of a thing is inexcusable, and deepens my loathing for much of McCain's campaign staff.

She wasn't exposed by some honest-and-above-the-fray-we're-just-asking-questions-media, she was beaten by an organized campaign that successfully negated the public image that would have come from her tenure in Alaska and replaced it with their own. :shrug: that's what happens to you in politics - and don't get in the kitchen if you can't take the heat. Ever since then she's been trying to some how come back and re-win a battle that is already lost, apparently unwilling to admit that when you wrestle with pigs, you both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it.

or maybe she does too, now, who knows. :shrug: She's supposed to be a fairly combative, competitive person. But that (and a few other things including yes, her lack of experience) is why I don't want her as President and don't want her running. Because she lacks the personal gravitas and ability to hold back and remain above the fray that we need from a chief executive / commander in chief. The President can't be getting in catfights with reporters they don't like - they should ignore the fact that they don't like the reporters, and let people two or more tiers down go on television to defend the administration. Palin instead is hyperactive and hyperresponsive - she can't (for some reason) delegate it to others and she can't (for some reason) remain above the fray.

but the "they"? the "they" is the people who try to look down their noses on her as some stupid far-right-wing ignorant evangelical rube - because they have bought the media image and don't even realize that they are the ones getting played. there are plenty of good reasons not to want Sara Palin in the Republican Primary or in the White House. but a Caricature isn't one of them.
 
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The McCain camp was run by fools.....and it was those fools that convinced him to pick an idiot like Palin in a hail mary attempt to salvage his campagin. For the sake of our country its a blessing that it didn't work.

....that said....I'm not confusing anything. Social Conservative are radical NUTS. I can respect Barry Goldwater true conservatives....but the extremist evangelical social agenda embraced by the so called big government "Social Conservatives" is simply wacko.

:D callin me a nutjob wacko? :)
 
Does anyone care that this guy says he refuses to appoint Muslims to his white house or to judicial roles?
 
since that's not the accurate depiction of what he said, no. what he stated was that he would have to be very satisfied that they would apply US law over shariah law - which I have no problem with. No US Judge or Governmental Appointee has the right to impose their religious preferences over US Law.
 
since that's not the accurate depiction of what he said, no. what he stated was that he would have to be very satisfied that they would apply US law over shariah law - which I have no problem with. No US Judge or Governmental Appointee has the right to impose their religious preferences over US Law.

No, the exact quote is that he was asked if he would appoint a muslim, and he said this: "No, I will not"

Bigoted and racist no matter how you look at it.
 
Does anyone care that this guy says he refuses to appoint Muslims to his white house or to judicial roles?

He's feeding Republican xenophobia. Why would they care? He's preaching to the choir really. This is a group that says Muslims should be singled out for scanning at airports. This is a group who supports racial profiling. A black guy willing to support a xenophobic agenda is a dream come true for most Post-Nixon conservatives.

Herman Cain Defends Controversial 'Muslim' Comments - Fox News Video - FoxNews.com

He wants people who totally committed to the constitution. He doesn't have the time to watch somebody who isn't declared to the Constitution and laws of this country. Essentially, if he can't read your thoughts and you're a Muslim, you're not getting hired by him.
 
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No, the exact quote is that he was asked if he would appoint a muslim, and he said this: "No, I will not"

Bigoted and racist no matter how you look at it.

and then he was asked if he would appoint a Muslim that would place US Law over Shariah Law and he said he would.

:) context matters - though I agree it's problematic and will probably hurt him in the campaign. He doesn't seem to realize yet the extent to which the media will highlight issues that they use to attack republicans and cover up similar statements by Democrats. I don't see this as any worse than Obama's claim that his grandmother - like a "typical white person" - feared blacks.
 
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but the "they"? the "they" is the people who try to look down their noses on her as some stupid far-right-wing ignorant evangelical rube - because they have bought the media image and don't even realize that they are the ones getting played. there are plenty of good reasons not to want Sara Palin in the Republican Primary or in the White House. but a Caricature isn't one of them.

I appreciate you taking the time to write all that out.

See - here's the thing. I don't do TV. I barely do computer. I go to news.google.com and read when I feel like it. People do something like oh, I don't know; writing their notes on their hand? That's the kind of thing I hear about. So all I know is the really stupid stuff she actually truly did.
 
Location: Azeroth? WOW!
 
I appreciate you taking the time to write all that out.

:) sorry if it seemed like i was ranting. but the temptation on the part of many to look down on social conservatives as somehow inherently "stupid" is one of my pet peeves :soap

See - here's the thing. I don't do TV. I barely do computer. I go to news.google.com and read when I feel like it. People do something like oh, I don't know; writing their notes on their hand? That's the kind of thing I hear about. So all I know is the really stupid stuff she actually truly did.

:confused: but see... that's also the kind of thing I'm talking about. The current President can't give a 10-minute speech without a teleprompter, and Palin gives a 45-minute address with five words written on her palm.... but somehow everyone in the media instantly jumps on her for being the idiot. and then the next speech they send their best cameramen to weird angles to see what she wrote this time.... and instead she writes "Hi Mom!", just to have fun with them :lol: I'll admit, I don't like her fighting the media, but I think that was a witty response to a particularly stupid piece of media idiocy in it's fight with Palin.

but you got ------------->l l<---------------- this much exposure to the story, so that's what you carry with you. Palin is dumb because she writes on her hand.

i mean heck, I write stuff on my hand - you don't get the "really stupid" vibe from me, I hope. :shock:
 
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:) sorry if it seemed like i was ranting. but the temptation on the part of many to look down on social conservatives as somehow inherently "stupid" is one of my pet peeves :flowers:



:confused: but see... that's also the kind of thing I'm talking about. The current President can't give a 10-minute speech without a teleprompter, and Palin gives a 45-minute address with five words written on her palm.... but somehow everyone in the media instantly jumps on her for being the idiot. and then the next speech they send their best cameramen to weird angles to see what she wrote this time.... and instead she writes "Hi Mom!", just to have fun with them :lol: I'll admit, I don't like her fighting the media, but I think that was a witty response to a particularly stupid piece of media idiocy in it's fight with Palin.

but you got ------------->l l<---------------- this much exposure to the story, so that's what you carry with you. Palin is dumb because she writes on her hand.

i mean heck, I write stuff on my hand - you don't get the "really stupid" vibe from me, I hope. :shock:

The whole perpetual motion thing is just sad. I reach out to you, we strike up a friendship. You talk about Palin, I point out the hand thing. You say you do the same, and before I can call bull****, you shoot the President again with the teleprompter shot. I go back to Azeroth.
 
the point is there for comparison - all politicians utilize teleprompters. however, Obama does not get blasted as "stupid" for using one by the general media - Palin instead get's blasted as stupid because she didn't need one instead. Pick any politician about whom the media has fawned over as "intelligent" (as they did over the President) and the model still fits.

and I do write stuff on my hands. When I was in school that's how I kept track of my homework. Now, it's how I keep track of projects when I move from one location to the other - or leave note for myself to remind myself of tasks I want to get done during the day.

for example, two or so days ago i read a Prickly City comic and enjoyed the bit quite alot because it reminded me of some posters here. So i wrote "prickly city" on my left palm as a reminder that when I got back to my computer after work, I could look up the cartoon on line and post it to the Political Cartoons thread.

here it is: The Ryan Budget Discussed.

what, you think I am lying to you to protect someone that I hope doesn't run for any office ever again? :confused: how would that work?
 
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what, you think I am lying to you to protect someone that I hope doesn't run for any office ever again? :confused: how would that work?

It was a joke. I think I just need to get used to the fact that this is who you are. The shots are a given, and I will adjust if I am to call you friend.
 
It was a joke. I think I just need to get used to the fact that this is who you are. The shots are a given, and I will adjust if I am to call you friend.

:D I'm Here! I like Beer! Get Used To It! :lamo :monkey
 
See.....she has played the victim card....and you have swallowed it hook, line and sinker. There is no one that plays the martyr card better than Palin...and what you should be upset about is that she uses her family in every way to manipulate you.

And you're excusing all those journalists who purposely went out to destroy her to assure Obama got the presidency.
guess you don't care anything about truth in the media.
 
What you are missing Barb is that there is a big difference betweena gaffe....and being completely clueless and uneducated. Palin displayed on numerous ocassions that she was ignorant of the very basics that you would expect from someone seeking the second highest position in the country. People can forgive the gaffes, but not the lack of intelligence.

Obama showed his ignorance every time he spoke off teleprompter.
 
This guy is a piece of garbage. He won't appoint a muslim to his cabinet or courts because they believe in Allah. What a load of crap.

Cain worries about creeping sharia law in government. He will only appoint people to his cabinet, if he is convinced they will uphold the constitution. Since Islam is not just a religion but also a political belief, can we be assured of that from those who take the oath on the Koran? Just asking..
A man in the position of POTUS needs to surround himself with people he has complete faith in.
One things for sure, he wouldn't be appointing communists and socialists like someone else we know.
 
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