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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    He was honest. When asked if he would appoint a Muslim to his cabinet he said "No" without hesitation. I'm fine with that. A president should appoint people who has his same values, like Obama did. Van Jones, Valarie Jarrett, Cass Sustein, Benwick, Rahm and Zeke Emanuel,Jeff Imelt,......
    How many other candidates would be as blunt and honest as that? I'm sure there are others who wouldn't appoint Muslims either, but they'd never flat out say so.
    Why are you ok with that?

    Those values, as demonstrated by your list, are political values, having nothing to do with religion. It's completely appropriate to discriminate on that basis, however, Americans are supposedly free to worship as they like and not be discriminated on the basis of their religion. Cain would also seem to be in violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights act:

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    Title VII of the Act, codified as Subchapter VI of Chapter 21 of 42 U.S.C. ß 2000e [2] et seq., prohibits discrimination by covered employers on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin (see 42 U.S.C. ß 2000e-2[31]). Title VII also prohibits discrimination against an individual because of his or her association with another individual of a particular race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. An employer cannot discriminate against a person because of his interracial association with another, such as by an interracial marriage.[32]

    I can't help wondering if Muslim were replaced wth Christian in that sentence, what the result would be?
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    I wonder, if he had said "I don't want to appoint any Christians to my cabinet, for fear they share beliefs with the WBC," how his supporters would have reacted. Put yourself in the other person's shoes, people. Wonder whatever happened to "content of his character"?
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I wonder, if he had said "I don't want to appoint any Christians to my cabinet, for fear they share beliefs with the WBC," how his supporters would have reacted. Put yourself in the other person's shoes, people. Wonder whatever happened to "content of his character"?
    They'd say it's just another part on the war on Christianity...

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They'd say it's just another part on the war on Christianity...
    No doubt, but they would not see/acknowledge their own hypocrisy.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Oh, so he's the traditional definition of a neocon...

    Why did he leave the democratic party?
    Actually, I'd have to look into that. He may have never been a democrat. I may not have gotten his words exact. He may have been talking blacks in general and being kept on the democratic plantation. Or liberals being upset that he wasn't on it, and not that he left it.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Actually, I'd have to look into that. He may have never been a democrat. I may not have gotten his words exact. He may have been talking blacks in general and being kept on the democratic plantation. Or liberals being upset that he wasn't on it, and not that he left it.
    So this guy likes to bring up race a lot, points out his race, and makes racial comments... and that's kind of ironic since I have seen you say numerous times like the left focuses on race, not the right.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I wonder, if he had said "I don't want to appoint any Christians to my cabinet, for fear they share beliefs with the WBC," how his supporters would have reacted. Put yourself in the other person's shoes, people. Wonder whatever happened to "content of his character"?
    I wonder if Obama would appoint a pro-life Christian to his cabinet?
    Cain simply said he wouldn't appoint anyone who wouldn't put upholding the Constitution above all else. He thinks that someone swearing in on the Quran might not. He is worried about creeping Sharia law. Maybe that sounds nutty to a lot of people and he'll lose votes over it, but the man said it, and I hope he doesn't back peddle so much explaing it that he looks like a flip flopper.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Oh, so he's the traditional definition of a neocon...

    Why did he leave the democratic party?
    Or maybe what he is asking for others to join him. I am taking it that the "plantation" reference is toward the Democratic Party's base of African Americans? Most if not all Neoconservatives have not viewed themselves as Tea Party/Libertarian conservatives. They can see them as useful to the development of a conservative message, but electorally out of touch.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    EMPOWERING WORKERS: THE PRIVATIZATION OF SOCIAL SECURITY IN CHILE Cain talks about Chile when he discusses Social Security. Here's what chile did and the results.

    Ľ Herman Cain talks national security, economy and presidential debate Cubachi

    Cain on Bin Laden photos, and his 5 pt plan for the economy.


    Very short video on Immigration


    YouTube - Herman Cain - Immigration
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