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Herman Cain for president?

Would you vote for Herman Cain for president?


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BTW more than half of the people voting No in the poll are liberals, who aren't likely to vote for any GOP candidate anyway...

Two things.

1) Oh, I'm sorry. Was this poll only open to Republicans? All apologies.

2) Judgemental much? I wouldn't even be in this thread if I wasn't hoping that the GOP can actually find a worthy candidate. I was a Republican for most of my life.
 
My mistake on Obama appointees.

I don't see refusing to appoint Muslims who would swear in on the Quran as bigotry. We are still at war with those who live by the words found there. Cain just wants to make sure he appoints people who will uphold the constitution.

We're at war with my Dad? That's news to me... He voted for Bush, and he's a Turkish American... He just happens to be Muslim, but the more the right looks like they have a problem with Islam, the more and more he loses his respect for the GOP.
 
While I have my doubts that he can obtain the candidacy, if he did I would vote for him. I may very well vote for him in the primary... still thinking on it.

I won't vote for him... sorry, but this guy obviously acts like Muslims are the enemy and if he wins, my Muslim family members would probably never vote Republican again.
 
He says his name is like Cain in the bible, only he's never killed anybody. :)

And his first name is one of the Monster's names...
 
In the unlikely event he becomes President, I feel that he's free to pick whoever he wants to complement his team. I just had a problem with what he said (the quote that Hatuey put up), and what that reveals about his thought process.

That actually wasn't a quote, but close enough I guess. He did say he wouldn't appoint a Muslim to his cabinet. However is Islam just a religion? Could someone swear in on the quran and still be expected to uphold the constitution? That is probably the struggle Cain is having. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but that would be my worry.

Separation Of Church And State (Islaam.Com)
Secularists in the West will agree with this, then they will point out that under Islamic law, people are not all equal. No non-Muslim, for example, could become the president. Well, in response to that fact, in turn, secularism is no different. No Muslim could become president in a secular regime, for in order to pledge loyalty to the constitution, a Muslim would have to abandon part of his belief and embrace the belief of secularism — which is practically another religion. For Muslims, the word 'religion' does not only refer to a collection of beliefs and rituals, it refers to a way of life which includes all values, behaviours, and details of living.
Secularism cannot be a solution for countries with a Muslim majority or even a sizeable minority, for it requires people to replace their God-given beliefs with an entirely different set of man-made beliefs. Separation of religion and state is not an option for Muslims because is requires us to abandon Allah's decree for that of a man.
 
I won't vote for him... sorry, but this guy obviously acts like Muslims are the enemy and if he wins, my Muslim family members would probably never vote Republican again.

I bet he would get smashed for that belief, if it gets to the presidential elections, he'll probably apologize or show that the quote was taken out of context ... if that is what he actually believes... so far i've only seen a wikipedia reference...
what it seems like to me is a random flaming liberal reporter trying to get as much dirt as possible to make this guy illegitimate.
In the big scope of things i don't think it's something that would take my vote away from, because he's an awesome candidate.

The muslim/terrorist debate is really sensitive to some people... i don't think he's claiming to strip rights away or anything, or even scold Muslims. The only thing the link said that he said, was he thinks that it would be inappropriate for himself as president to hire people of the muslim faith in the government b/c of the off chance of them following shria law. I don't agree with this view, but it is a legitimate concern, because the majority of people who practice Islam have different values then a traditional american would, it's just like saying "I will never hire a Liberal in government if i was president"; It's the same thing, imo. And i highly bet, if there was a muslim that was apart of the tea party he would absolutely want to appoint him... YOU ARE WAY OVER-REACTING.
Again before we can really decide about this we need to wait and see how his campaign develops, and know his actual stances on things.

I do like his attitude though, he really stands by what he says and says things like they are... definitely need more of that.
 
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That actually wasn't a quote, but close enough I guess. He did say he wouldn't appoint a Muslim to his cabinet. However is Islam just a religion? Could someone swear in on the quran and still be expected to uphold the constitution? That is probably the struggle Cain is having. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but that would be my worry.

Separation Of Church And State (Islaam.Com)

Okay, I get where you're coming from. However I think that characterization is pigeonholing all Muslims into a very narrow description. Turkey would be an example of a relatively successful secular regime with a large, devout Muslim population. The quotes from the site that you cited would be like, if James Dobson spoke for every conservative Christian.
 
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That actually wasn't a quote, but close enough I guess. He did say he wouldn't appoint a Muslim to his cabinet. However is Islam just a religion? Could someone swear in on the quran and still be expected to uphold the constitution? That is probably the struggle Cain is having. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but that would be my worry.

Separation Of Church And State (Islaam.Com)
Exactly what i was trying to say ^
It's the same as saying "i would'nt appoint a Liberal to my cabinet" People who practice Islam has some core beliefs that are not appealing to a traditional american. If there was an Islamic Tea Party member that did not follow tradition Islam laws im sure he would appoint them. People are taking that one random quote WAY over-board.
 
Exactly what i was trying to say ^
It's the same as saying "i would'nt appoint a Liberal to my cabinet" People who practice Islam has some core beliefs that are not appealing to a traditional american. If there was an Islamic Tea Party member that did not follow tradition Islam laws im sure he would appoint them. People are taking that one random quote WAY over-board.

And just what are these "Islamic views" that are not appealing to "traditional Americans"? Have you met most Muslims? Different Muslims practice their faith differently, their beliefs and their practices are about as varied as Christians. Some are very devout, many not so much. Some take the Koran very literally, most American Muslims take the Koran about as literally as most Christians take the Bible.

The difference between excluding Muslims, and excluding liberals, is that apparently Cain's rationale is that "because of their faith, Muslims might not uphold the Constitution." That's a pretty blanket statement and is not backed up by any evidence. If there's any evidence that the average American Muslim has more disdain for the US Constitution than the average American, I would like to see it.
 
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I dont really agree with it either, but it's not way out there, or even biggoted imo, he's basing off the actually muslim laws and the Quran... he's definitely making a statement about the religion... kinda calling them out. Of course not all Muslims follow it, but i don't think he would deny a muslim that lined up with the Tea parties beliefs.

I don't think new age islam is being referred to here anyway. Like barbs link, traditional islam does seem to have some contradictory things to traditional american values, that just would not uphold to be in any government office.

Again i agree with you, and disagree with this, but i don't think it's a huge deal where it would sway a vote... he has true american values at heart to be concerned with.
 
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As I always say... I don't care if somebody can tell a Balance Sheet from a Cash Flow Sheet, or even a Financial Statement, or had a Federal EIN number issued in their damn name. Having some experience manging stock prices or writing up payroll, doesn't give anybody federal executive experience. I want a candidate that understands the Constitution, can actually get a good bill through senate and the house, and understands foreign policy. This argument is a pet peeve of mine. We had an MBA serve as president and he wrecked the economy and followed the worst foreign policy in my lifetime.

So, you can't vote for Obama. Who is your candidate?
 
That's what I'd like to know. He has no record, so all we have is his word... and I don't like that.

I know how you feel. Look what we have now. All we have is President Obama's word and he lies a lot.
 
I dont really agree with it either, but it's not way out there, or even biggoted imo, he's basing off the actually muslim laws and the Quran... he's definitely making a statement about the religion... kinda calling them out. Of course not all Muslims follow it, but i don't think he would deny a muslim that lined up with the Tea parties beliefs.

I don't think new age islam is being referred to here anyway. Like barbs link, traditional islam does seem to have some contradictory things to traditional american values, that just would not uphold to be in any government office.

Again i agree with you, and disagree with this, but i don't think it's a huge deal where it would sway a vote... he has true american values at heart to be concerned with.

Fair enough, celticwar. I just don't think most American Muslims fit the stereotype of devout worshippers who take the Koran literally. Think Dave Chappelle, etc., all the celebrities in the media we see that adhere to Islam. The vast majority of them are just normal Americans, they just happen to adhere to a different religion, and one that shares the same roots and has so many similarities to Christianity. The reason I get so upset when Muslims are targeted by other groups, especially conservative Christians, is that they have a hell of a lot more in common than they have differences. It's really disturbing to see a lot of the hypocrisy that goes around, but that's just personally where I'm coming from. Both Christians and Muslims should have a hell of a lot less problems with each other than they should with atheists and agnostics.
 
It will be something holding against him if he ever goes to office... I don't even know if this is what he believes -_- Ive never heard it before until the Wikipedia link, so its not something hes advocating a whole lot... I bet he will retract it if he goes to presidential election/or say it was taken out of context.

Christianity and Islam... if you think about... have really contradictory things to american values... there certainly are laws stated in both that we do not follow. I guess this guy feels swearing to the Shiria law is different then following christian ones?:shrug:

my opinion, he's not taking about muslim's who are open minded, but just the Shria law followers.
 
Two things.

1) Oh, I'm sorry. Was this poll only open to Republicans? All apologies.

2) Judgemental much? I wouldn't even be in this thread if I wasn't hoping that the GOP can actually find a worthy candidate. I was a Republican for most of my life.



Touchy much? How do you know I was even talking about you? Frankly I didn't even recall offhand what you self-labeled as.... but there's nothing wrong with pointing out that most of the "no's" are from people who aren't likely to vote GOP anyway, as it makes the results more understandable.
 
Being blunt and honest does not get you elected. The ability to speak without actually answering a question gets you elected. The ability to talk to a diverse group, and have all of them come away thinking you're on their side gets you elected.
 
Exactly what i was trying to say ^
It's the same as saying "i would'nt appoint a Liberal to my cabinet" People who practice Islam has some core beliefs that are not appealing to a traditional american. If there was an Islamic Tea Party member that did not follow tradition Islam laws im sure he would appoint them. People are taking that one random quote WAY over-board.

I don't know what you define as "traditional Islamic laws" but most Muslims I know don't want to push them on anybody else.... I think of traditional Islamic laws as being tradition in the sense that nearly all Muslims follow them like the pillars of Islam, eating with your right hand, certain greetings, dietary laws, not gambling, fasting, pilgrimage, etc. Then you have a lot of laws that vary like divorce laws and rights, inheritance laws, etc.

There is even a Sharia court system in Israel for marriage and divorce, because the population is mostly Jewish and Muslim. Why would Muslims want to follow Jewish jurisprudence and marry/divorce according to Jewish law and custom, and by Rabbis?

In Jewish law, the man initiates the divorce with a get document. However, the woman initiates a divorce by suing in rabbinical court.

Halakha (Jewish law) allows for divorce. The document of divorce is termed a get. The final divorce ceremony involves the husband giving the get document into the hand of the wife or her agent, but the wife may sue in rabbinical court to initiate the divorce. In such a case, a husband may be compelled to give the get, if he has violated any of his numerous obligations; this was traditionally accomplished by beating and or monetary coercion. The rationale was that since he was required to divorce his wife due to his (or her) violations of the contract, his good inclination really desires to divorce her, and we are only helping him to do what he wants to do anyway. In this case, the wife may or may not be entitled to a ketuba payment.

Jewish views on marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Islam a man or a woman can initiate a divorce. A man terminates marriage under the process of talaq, and woman does it though khul. The steps and process vary in talaq and khul depending on jurisprudence and sect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talaq_(Nikah)
Khul' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'

Usually Jewish people or Muslims don't expect anybody else to follow their religious laws. At least not in my personal experience.
 
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Fair enough, celticwar. I just don't think most American Muslims fit the stereotype of devout worshippers who take the Koran literally. Think Dave Chappelle, etc., all the celebrities in the media we see that adhere to Islam. The vast majority of them are just normal Americans, they just happen to adhere to a different religion, and one that shares the same roots and has so many similarities to Christianity. The reason I get so upset when Muslims are targeted by other groups, especially conservative Christians, is that they have a hell of a lot more in common than they have differences. It's really disturbing to see a lot of the hypocrisy that goes around, but that's just personally where I'm coming from. Both Christians and Muslims should have a hell of a lot less problems with each other than they should with atheists and agnostics.

Sharia Law is like a trigger word... They hear the phrase, and they automatically think of the Taliban and extremism. No Muslim really rejects Sharia Law, but not all Muslims are Taliban supporters either. There is a problem with that perception.
 
I heard that Trump was still leading in the polls. The results are being celebrated by Trump, Obama, Stewart, and the writers of Saturday Night Live.
 
Yea, that looks pretty pitiful, but that was back in Jan and some of those people aren't even running. Palin I don't think is, Huckabees out. Pence is out. Barbour's out. He's even with Pawlenty in more recent polls. get him in a debate with Romney and the numbers will change drastically I betcha. :) And tonight will change things too. I think Romney made a big mistake by being a no show.

Best of luck! :sun
 
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