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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I listen to Rush and Beck. I have never heard Herman Cain fill in for either one of them. It's possible i just missed those times, but I doubt it, as I am a fan of all three. Honestly I've never heard Cain on the radio except when he was being interviewed (maybe once?)
    If he is a shock jock, that is news to me, unless you consider all conservative talk show hosts shock jocks?
    What I think is shocking is a president who tells republicans they can come along dfor the ride but have to sit in the back. Obama is not a president of the people.
    Just because you don't agree with someone on anything doesn't mean you can't treat them with respect.
    Yes all those type of talk radio people that I listen to almost daily are shock jocks. And cain as definitely stood in for rush which hurts him.

    So tell me a president that has been more Isle way than obama recently and then tell me why you think that any candidate the a person would describe as "hates everything liberal/conservative" would be a "uniter", whats the logic behind that

    seem to me you dont think in terms of AMERICA but yet CONSERVATIVE amercia as thats all thet would be united under cain.

    ALso about Obama treating with reps with respect, I havent seen much disrespect and when I did it has been basically BEGGED for.

    Now mind you TWO wrongs do NOT make a right, im just saying how can YOU judge him and say he isnt a president of the people or uses disrespect when he is met with the same all the time and many people not on his party say "he isnt my president" If those people claim that you cant be their president no matter how much he tries and he does.

    AGAIN you are making me defend Obama but its only because you dont seem to be objective about the subject at all. Like I said he is not all sunshine and rainbows but the thins you are saying I simply dont see and seem to fit right in with cain. Partisan.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i agree. he would be a centrist in today's republican party, were he to espouse the same policies.

    however, that was not at all the way in which he was viewed or portrayed, especially in the media, at the time.

    and I care about how non objective people portrayed him why?
    Like I said REALITY of reagan is what is important and the independents and objective people didnt view him as an extremist right wing nut job
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I don't do "operating in a vacuum." If those were things he had said, I'd want to know in what context. And I'm pretty sure there's a damn good one.

    well, the context for claiming that Republicans were throwing grannie and autistic children under a bus was a speech to a college-crowd to which the Republican leadership was invited and which was billed as the President's "response" to the House 2012 Budget - the Administration put out the assumption that the President would basically get behind much of the Simpson-Bowles Report and demand that Republicans put tax hikes on the table in compromise for entitlement reform. Instead he sort of pulled a bait-and-switch and used the event to launch what I guess will be the theme of his 2012 campaign. Also worth noting that he implied that we were destroying "what made America great". i haven't heard the autistic kids bit again, though we have heard more than enough granny-in-the-snow sort of material from the administration and their allies.

    paul ryan was none too pleased; he was, in fact, the most visibly upset and shaken that i've seen him - and I've watched him quite a bit in a variety of tough interviews.




    telling hispanics that they needed to "punish" republicans for being their "enemies" was part of a piece given to attempt to rally support for Democrats prior to the 2010 election. he was sort of jumped all over it in the media and hasn't reused the line since.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, technically it's called the IPAB - Independent Payment Advisory Board. They're sort of the new American version of the British Orwellian-sounding N.I.C.E., which is in charge of deciding when Britons are no longer worth the cost of their medical care. IPAB's task is to figure out when your healthcare is no longer cost-effective for the government, and deny you - you or your doctor's opinion bedammed.

    oh, they can be overturned.... but only by a supermajority of congress. For some odd reason, the ACA chose to make them immune from lawsuit, so their decisions (which are life and death) can't be argued in a court...... now gosh, why would they go and do something like that?

    Democrats Refuse to Hold Dr. Death Panel Hearing - HUMAN EVENTS

    House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Sander Levin (D-Mich.) is refusing to hold public hearings to examine administration plans to implement a new health care rationing system at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid (CMS).
    The president’s new Medicare Rationing Czar, Sir Donald Berwick, is a big fan of British health care rationing. “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care -- the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open,” Berwick said in an interview prior to his recess appointment to head CMS.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    and I care about how non objective people portrayed him why?
    Like I said REALITY of reagan is what is important and the independents and objective people didnt view him as an extremist right wing nut job

    reality is certainly more important. but i think I am discussing a shift in said attitudes, and you are referencing a static point. the carter white house was initially jubilant with his nomination, for precisely this reason.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Show me. Almost every person who fills in for Rush has the first name of Mark. there's 3 or 4 of them. I would have made sure not to miss if Cain was filling in.
    just google "herman cain stands in for rush" or something along those lines im sure youll find links just like I did
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    The British system doesn't have death panels, its first come first serve and the "rationing" is in the form of objective diagnosis to prevent people from going to see specialist needlessly, which is a really big problem in Japan.

    Honestly, I thin the German system is good. Its 2 tiered, but in a way that makes sense.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    reality is certainly more important. but i think I am discussing a shift in said attitudes, and you are referencing a static point. the carter white house was initially jubilant with his nomination, for precisely this reason.
    what im discussing is that to be a uniter you have to cross the isle and or atlest sneak general america views in policy and your leadership

    the rest dont matter to me and Cain would never be an uniter IMO, no logic to support that
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Yes all those type of talk radio people that I listen to almost daily are shock jocks. And cain as definitely stood in for rush which hurts him.

    So tell me a president that has been more Isle way than obama recently and then tell me why you think that any candidate the a person would describe as "hates everything liberal/conservative" would be a "uniter", whats the logic behind that

    seem to me you dont think in terms of AMERICA but yet CONSERVATIVE amercia as thats all thet would be united under cain.

    ALso about Obama treating with reps with respect, I havent seen much disrespect and when I did it has been basically BEGGED for.

    Now mind you TWO wrongs do NOT make a right, im just saying how can YOU judge him and say he isnt a president of the people or uses disrespect when he is met with the same all the time and many people not on his party say "he isnt my president" If those people claim that you cant be their president no matter how much he tries and he does.

    AGAIN you are making me defend Obama but its only because you dont seem to be objective about the subject at all. Like I said he is not all sunshine and rainbows but the thins you are saying I simply dont see and seem to fit right in with cain. Partisan.
    I bet you can't find one close association to Obama in his past who was not a liberal. In Cains line of work he has had to work and get along with all kinds of people. He could not pick and choose like Obama.
    I don't have a problem electing a president who doesn't agree with liberals. Why would I? I would object to one who treated them like crap. Cain is not that type person.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    he does have a lot more class..he can completely own someone in the most civil way... like that Clinton video he was in
    Exactly. I love that video. Both Cain and Clinton showed a lot of class and civility. Not sure Obama would have done the same.
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