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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Social issues, yes. Bush was about as pro life as Obama is pro choice, not that it matters. The POTUS can't do much about abortion anyway.

    Economic issues.. hmm.. There's Medicare part D, and there's TARP. I'm not so sure that there is much difference there.
    Obama is pro regulation and government involvement in the economy. Bush was for crony capitalism.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Yes, on social and economic issues, the only ones that directly affect Americans. The "bushification" of his foreign policy (minus Libya) was an inevitability.



    Too bad Mr Cain is wrong. The country is split nearly 50/50 on the health care issue. With the addition of a public option its something like 55/45 in favor. Without the mandate, its like 70/30 in favor. Look up Gallup.
    Look at when he wrote it.(2010) He was not wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Look at when he wrote it.(2010) He was not wrong
    Yes he was. Thats the problem. The entire problem with the argument, and Gallup proved it, is that people believed talking heads and lies like "death panels." Once they were told what actually was happening more became in favor of the purposed changes than against.

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    Cain would get the white guilt vote from people who hate Obama because he is black. West espouses is a common theme that appeals to a certain demographic, "tell it like it is". Terms like that and claiming not to be politically correct are all the same thing. Nothing changes from Palin to Trump to West. Semantics without substance. The catch phrases don't translate into anything substantive.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by risky thicket View Post
    cain would get the white guilt vote from people who hate obama because he is black.
    what?!

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Obama is pro regulation and government involvement in the economy. Bush was for crony capitalism.
    Over regulation and government involvement in the economy is the height of crony capitalism.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Over regulation and government involvement in the economy is the height of crony capitalism.
    No, Crony capitalism is you get your friends to win.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Over regulation and government involvement in the economy is the height of crony capitalism.
    Yeah, if there is one thing Wall Street doesn't need it's regulation. I'm all for one cable TV provider, one broadband provider, one media mega corp, one or two mega healthcare providers, one utility provider, one or two energy providers and all Americans working for four or five mega corps or the subsidiaries, no matter what the career field. That would be just great, wouldn't it?

    How's that day-glo Gulf shrimp you're eating? Tell me how BP didn't manipulate government before and after the oil spill? I imagine the guys who died on the rig and their families are certainly happy that profit was more important than adherence to government recommended/mandated safety standards.

    I've seen enough unbridled capitalism to know that what's needed is rational regulation not corporate authored regulation.

    Tell me why Wall Street and banking should have fewer regulations rather than more.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    No, Crony capitalism is you get your friends to win.
    exactly. that's the precise effect of overregulation. it's called "industry capture"; and it references the fact that regulating arms of the government typically become spokesmen for the largest players in the area that they are supposed to be regulating. the agricultural department argues in favor of increased agricultural subsidies. the national relations board becomes a pro-union entity. treasury and fed officials that come from the big banks - surprise surprise - tend to dispense government bailouts and largesse in ways that benefit those big banks.

    Quote Originally Posted by risky thicket
    I've seen enough unbridled capitalism to know that what's needed is rational regulation not corporate authored regulation.
    you are correct. the only problem is that history has demonstrated this to be an extreme political implausibility, if not an impossibility. industry has been involved in writing the regulations that will govern it since at least the Theodore Roosevelt Administration.

    Tell me why Wall Street and banking should have fewer regulations rather than more.
    because they are able to use their size, power, and influence to ensure that they limit competition and fix their market share, thereby turning us precisely into what you fear when you worry about America becoming dominated by one or two 'mega corps'. An excellent example of this would be our health insurance industry - where the fact that we have state border restrictions has allowed state governments to be influenced by the major providers in their states to heavily regulate the industry - with the result being that many states are dominated by a vanishingly small number of health insurers, who write the regulation in order to prevent competition, give it to politicians with a check, and then clink champagne glasses when those politicians obediently pass it.



    if you want to get business out of politics, then get politics out of business. when you begin to legislate buying and selling, the first things to be bought and sold are the legislators. as long as you provide a massive financial incentive for private interests to interfere with politics, then that is precisely what they will do.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Obama is pro regulation and government involvement in the economy. Bush was for crony capitalism.
    Obama and Bush are crony capitalists.

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