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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Speaking of Clinton. 1994
    Sometimes I really miss Bill. That was a good clip of Cain as well, though Clinton certainly got the better of the exchange.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Cain can win the general. It's the primary I'm worried about. For one thing, there's the Ron Paul supporters who won't vote for him in the primary, but they will in the general. Another, the media is going to choose someone to promote and it won't be Cain. I'm afraid what might happen is they're going to pick someone who can't beat Obama.
    Like Cain. If Cain continues his far right rhetoric, he may win the primary but he would be dead in the general. If he moves to the middle, which for conservatives means right of center, he should do well in the general, but I don't see him doing that.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    Like Cain. If Cain continues his far right rhetoric, he may win the primary but he would be dead in the general. If he moves to the middle, which for conservatives means right of center, he should do well in the general, but I don't see him doing that.
    The best candidates appeal to the base in the primaries, then move toward the center in the general election after they get nominated. I'm not sure if Cain can do the latter.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The best candidates appeal to the base in the primaries, then move toward the center in the general election after they get nominated. I'm not sure if Cain can do the latter.
    I don't think so either. If my gut feeling about him is right, he will not change his stance on the issues as the campaign continues. If that is true, he will have my utmost respect, but in the general election this type of integrity would lose him the swayable independents. Sad but true. I actually have been looking into this guy after reading through the thread and I believe he is very smart and that his passion is real. I would love to see a debate between him and Obama. But we'll probably see a debate with Romney and Obama, which will be predictable.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    I don't think so either. If my gut feeling about him is right, he will not change his stance on the issues as the campaign continues. If that is true, he will have my utmost respect, but in the general election this type of integrity would lose him the swayable independents. Sad but true. I actually have been looking into this guy after reading through the thread and I believe he is very smart and that his passion is real. I would love to see a debate between him and Obama. But we'll probably see a debate with Romney and Obama, which will be predictable.
    I think that rhetoric can be moderated, but often people start digging up dirt on what the candidate said in the past and then accuse him/her of flip-flopping. It's a fine line the candidate must walk.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    Like Cain. If Cain continues his far right rhetoric, he may win the primary but he would be dead in the general. If he moves to the middle, which for conservatives means right of center, he should do well in the general, but I don't see him doing that.
    I think he would beat obama with his conservative views... people want a Reagan/conservative solution to the economy and national debt( the last house elections prove that), and he gives clear honest common sense answers unlike any other politician. Peoples reaction to Cains character and strategies was drastic, like in the video he convince a WHOLE room full of republicans to vote for him after the debate. He has the potential, but the right and left media are pickin their favorites, which will hurt Cain for the primaries.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    Sometimes I really miss Bill. That was a good clip of Cain as well, though Clinton certainly got the better of the exchange.
    not at all, but thats just probably a product of our political bias'

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I think he would beat obama with his conservative views... people want a Reagan/conservative solution to the economy and national debt( the last house elections prove that), and he gives clear honest common sense answers unlike any other politician. Peoples reaction to Cains character and strategies was drastic, like in the video he convince a WHOLE room full of republicans to vote for him after the debate. He has the potential, but the right and left media are pickin their favorites, which will hurt Cain for the primaries.
    Wait, is this the discussion with Clinton? Was he actually running for office?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    Sometimes I really miss Bill. That was a good clip of Cain as well, though Clinton certainly got the better of the exchange.
    I kind of saw it as a draw. To be frank I couldn't tell what was actually going on, it was a bit confusing. I think Cain's message was "if you put this legislation in place it would be a tremendous burden on our business and the pizza industry." And Bill was like "well actually if you do the math you won't really be shouldering all that much of a burden."

    It was hard to tell who was actually right, so i dunno.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Wait, is this the discussion with Clinton? Was he actually running for office?
    no the

    I just didnt want to spam the video cause i posted it like twice already

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