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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    do you know what "playing the race card" means? i did no such thing, and i think you are naive to believe racism plays no part in politics. when you see republican party officials e-mailing racists cartoons, saying racist things, and in general showing their asses, you have racism in politics. i would really, really like to know how you got that 2%.

    what i post is my opinion, you are free to agree or disagree, but ttrust me when i say i am a liberal, and i am not scared of herman cain. in fact, i am not SCARED of any candidate, and would welcome one who i thought would a good president. the republicans didn't do that last go round, and imo, haven't done it since bush 1. he was an okay guy.
    You did play the race card... you said Herman Cain won't win cause he's black.
    How is that different then saying republicans don't like Obama cause he's black... you are using it in the reverse order. It's all using race as an excuse other then the actual issues and motivations at heart.

    I didnt claim i got the 2% from anywhere, it was just my opinion. I think racism is a vast minority in ANY political party. You just mention one random instance of an email who i never even heard of what party official woman did it, who gives a crap? Cartoons are cartoons, and presidents have a history of being made fun in them...and i think she apologized anyway. Even if she was racist, THATS ONE PERSON that managed to hide her internal hatred all the way up until that point, not even close to being a representative of the majority of people.
    Racism has not near the influence in politics you want to portray, the only instances Where i see this in a LARGE amount is with the African american community, loyally voting democrat based on thats what their "race" is supposed to do.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    You did play the race card... you said Herman Cain won't win cause he's black.
    How is that different then saying republicans don't like Obama cause he's black... you are using it in the reverse order. It's all using race as an excuse other then the actual issues and motivations at heart.

    I didnt claim i got the 2% from anywhere, it was just my opinion. I think racism is a vast minority in ANY political party. You just mention one random instance of an email who i never even heard of what party official woman did it, who gives a crap? Cartoons are cartoons, and presidents have a history of being made fun in them...and i think she apologized anyway. Even if she was racist, THATS ONE PERSON that managed to hide her internal hatred all the way up until that point, not even close to being a representative of the majority of people.
    Racism has not near the influence in politics you want to portray, the only instances Where i see this in a LARGE amount is with the African american community, loyally voting democrat based on thats what their "race" is supposed to do.
    i don't claim republicans don't like obama becasue he's black, i claim SOME republicans don't like obama becasue he's black. case in point....at my daughter's wedding, it was passed around the table that bin laden had been killed and obama was expected to speak shortly. my daughter's father-in-law said: "obama's gonna say i killed my brother!" i had to PINCH my husband to keep him quiet and not yell at the racist old guy, a staunch republican.

    as for you defending the racist e-mails, that tells me you're fine with racism, really. and it's not been just one person, but i think you know that.

    btw, how many black people do you hang with?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't claim republicans don't like obama becasue he's black, i claim SOME republicans don't like obama becasue he's black. case in point....at my daughter's wedding, it was passed around the table that bin laden had been killed and obama was expected to speak shortly. my daughter's father-in-law said: "obama's gonna say i killed my brother!" i had to PINCH my husband to keep him quiet and not yell at the racist old guy, a staunch republican.

    as for you defending the racist e-mails, that tells me you're fine with racism, really. and it's not been just one person, but i think you know that.

    btw, how many black people do you hang with?
    wait. was your daughter's father-in-law trying to tell a joke? I don't get it.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    wait. was your daughter's father-in-law trying to tell a joke? I don't get it.
    neither did i...but earlier in the day he mentioned that in south georgia they had a different name for the obamas.........

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    do you know what "playing the race card" means? i did no such thing, and i think you are naive to believe racism plays no part in politics. when you see republican party officials e-mailing racists cartoons, saying racist things, and in general showing their asses, you have racism in politics. i would really, really like to know how you got that 2%.

    what i post is my opinion, you are free to agree or disagree, but ttrust me when i say i am a liberal, and i am not scared of herman cain. in fact, i am not SCARED of any candidate, and would welcome one who i thought would a good president. the republicans didn't do that last go round, and imo, haven't done it since bush 1. he was an okay guy.
    That's where I am, too. I am inordinately curious to see who they will bring to the table. If it's somebody I can research and wind up having some respect for, then cool.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    I think it's a very small minority in the Republican Party that is overtly racist. What's a bigger problem is voters who are subtle, or covert racists. They'll tell you that they'll vote for a black man, and then do the opposite. Think Bradley Effect. I'm not saying Hermain Cain will necessarily face such a problem, but the potential is there.

    To me, Cain likely won't win the nomination because he is a relative unknown at this point, and because he's not a professional/career politician he doesn't have access to the resources or the support networks that other conadidates might have, not because race will be a huge factor.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't claim republicans don't like obama becasue he's black, i claim SOME republicans don't like obama becasue he's black. case in point....at my daughter's wedding, it was passed around the table that bin laden had been killed and obama was expected to speak shortly. my daughter's father-in-law said: "obama's gonna say i killed my brother!" i had to PINCH my husband to keep him quiet and not yell at the racist old guy, a staunch republican.

    as for you defending the racist e-mails, that tells me you're fine with racism, really. and it's not been just one person, but i think you know that.

    btw, how many black people do you hang with?
    My best friend is black

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post

    To me, Cain likely won't win the nomination because he is a relative unknown at this point
    But! So was Obama. So who's to say Cain can't pull the same grassroots move Obama did?

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    But! So was Obama. So who's to say Cain can't pull the same grassroots move Obama did?
    I guess that remains to be seen. I don't know if it's just me but I knew a lot more about Obama than most other people did about this time four years ago. But you have a point; just because he is an unknown doesn't mean he won't be successful. However another major difference is that he's not a professional politician, while Obama was. That goes to what I was saying about access to resources and a support network. Plus, in 2012 Obama will have the so-called "incumbent advantage" at his disposal.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 05-09-11 at 06:49 PM.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't claim republicans don't like obama becasue he's black, i claim SOME republicans don't like obama becasue he's black. case in point....at my daughter's wedding, it was passed around the table that bin laden had been killed and obama was expected to speak shortly. my daughter's father-in-law said: "obama's gonna say i killed my brother!" i had to PINCH my husband to keep him quiet and not yell at the racist old guy, a staunch republican.

    as for you defending the racist e-mails, that tells me you're fine with racism, really. and it's not been just one person, but i think you know that.

    btw, how many black people do you hang with?
    And i was just giving a random example... not one that you necessarily believe in. You played the race card for his sake saying "Cain wont win cause he is black". I dont care about your personal experiences with random conservatives... your observations are just plain wrong and over exaggerated.

    And yes my 1st roomate in college was "black" and he became my best friend. I have also had the opportunity of going to his neighborhood/house and hang out with his friends back home... quite an interesting experience. I've had "black" friends all my life. I also know he was voting for Obama the year of the elections and every-time we talked about he had NO IDEA about anything Obama was about... he just knew he was black and democrat and thats all he needed to know.

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