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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Cosidering there will be no taxes except what retailers collect, there won't be a whole lot for them to do.
    Why would the pre-bate be divided out? Each family gets a check, per members in household. Monthly I think. You buy stuff. The stuff you buy has a 23% tax on it. As long as you live below the poverty level, you'll not be paying taxes out of your own pocket, but you are still paying taxes as you spend that money. Nothing to keep track of. Never have to file taxes again.
    The IRS will not be in charge of collections. The retailers will simply send them in as they do to the state, only it will be to the federal government.
    I meant to say divvied out/up. An agency that knows how much people make will still need to exist in order to ensure that money goes out to people correctly. Furthermore, funds still have to be collected and sent to congress. The IRS would still exist.

    But, as I said, a reverse income tax combined with the fair tax would be better than the prebate. Some may say there isn't a difference, but I think there is, although a subtle one. The prebate is designed to remove the taxes from life necessities, giving money to everyone, where as a reverse income tax is designed to keep people just above the poverty rate and doesn't give money to those who aren't in direct need of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Thank you. Some people found his answer about Afganistan as a poor answer.
    They thought he was uninformed about it.
    My, wouldn't that have been nice of the media to have done that with Obama on Cap Gains, Wright, Ayers, Alinsky, Talks with our enemies without preconditions, his asinine comments about healing the planet and the world changing after he was elected and on and on and on?

    Talk about uninformed coupled with being wholly unrealistic, and dangerously narcissistic.

    But such imbalance with journOlists is to be expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Herman Cain wants to implement the fairtax. That is an indication to me that he is idealistic, but perhaps hasn't thought some things through. Would I vote for him over Obama? In a heartbeat. However, he is not my first choice in the primary.
    They said similar things of Reagan and his comments about the Soviet Union. This is in our hands... the Soviet Union wasn't... yet his idealism proved correct, and Cain's is spot on too. Progressive taxation isn't American, it's Communist. Cain would be bringing our tax system in line with American values and greatly eliminate an overbearing unAmerican government agency that strikes fear in people like the brown shirts and the late night knock did .

    For example:
    IRS charges pro golfer Jim Thorpe with failure to pay taxes - Orlando Sentinel

    This guy had some bad management and a convoluted system that didn't allow him to manage his finances in a simple, straight forward manner and he ended up paying with his liberty. I was so pissed off when reading this and it still pisses me off to no end. It's not like he pulled a Wesley Snipes.

    Of course, you get folks like OC who think the IRS Nazi's need more people and resources. I guess the bean counter wouldn't know what to do if the Tax Nazi's got shut down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    They said similar things of Reagan and his comments about the Soviet Union. This is in our hands... the Soviet Union wasn't... yet his idealism proved correct,
    You picked a really really bad example. The Soviet Union collapsed from within because of corruption, over spending on the military, and trying to control to much of the world directly. Reagan had very little to do with it. Don't get me wrong, I believe he was a great president and he handled the slow collapses very well, but he didn't causes it.

    BTW, Obama supports fixing the tax code.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The Soviet Union collapsed from within because of corruption, over spending on the military, and trying to control to much of the world directly.
    The SU collapsed because it was totalitarian. The three things you list are suffered in every country, today, and don't qualify as key reasons for anything. Those are all symptoms, not causes.

    Reagan had very little to do with it.
    Reagan's policies played a significant role. Democracy was a cause, as totalitiarianism was a cause. Let's not confuse source and symptom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    You picked a really really bad example. The Soviet Union collapsed from within because of corruption, over spending on the military, and trying to control to much of the world directly. Reagan had very little to do with it. Don't get me wrong, I believe he was a great president and he handled the slow collapses very well, but he didn't causes it.

    BTW, Obama supports fixing the tax code.
    Perhaps you are too young to know, but even if you were an adult back then I suggest you go back and read the news from that time. They called Reagan "nuts", "a cowboy", "dangerous"... and on and on. They did not see his take on the USSR as realistic, but dangerous. He proved them ll wrong regardless of what take you take on its demise. Reagan foresaw its collapse when nobody else did.

    His "ash heap of history" speech before the British Parliament wasn't seen as realistic at the time. Quite the contrary.

    Reagan brought Gorby and their Utopia to the brink by escalating an arms race they couldn't win and let Gorby walk over the edge of the cliff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The SU collapsed because it was totalitarian. The three things you list are suffered in every country, today, and don't qualify as key reasons for anything. Those are all symptoms, not causes.
    No, those were causes for the break up of the USSR. Even if the USSR wasn't totalitarian, it still would of collapses because of those "symptoms" Just like Rome. If it was because of totalitarianism, Russia wouldn't hold the place in the world that it currently does.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Perhaps you are too young to know, but even if you were an adult back then I suggest you go back and read the news from that time. They called Reagan "nuts", "a cowboy", "dangerous"... and on and on. His "ash heap of history" speech before the British Parliament wasn't seen as realistic at the time. Quite the contrary.

    Reagan brought Gorby and their Utopia to the brink by escalating an arms race they couldn't win and let Gorby walk over the edge of the cliff.

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    I didn't live it, but I know exactly what you are talking about. I wasn't talking about how people portrayed him. I was talking about facts. He did not cause the collpase of the USSR. Like I said, he handled the USSR very well .... South America, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    No, those were causes for the break up of the USSR. Even if the USSR wasn't totalitarian, it still would of collapses because of those "symptoms" Just like Rome. If it was because of totalitarianism, Russia wouldn't hold the place in the world that it currently does.



    I didn't live it, but I know exactly what you are talking about. I wasn't talking about how people portrayed him. I was talking about facts. He did not cause the collpase of the USSR. Like I said, he handled the USSR very well .... South America, not so much.
    I have added to the above. See bold:

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Perhaps you are too young to know, but even if you were an adult back then I suggest you go back and read the news from that time. They called Reagan "nuts", "a cowboy", "dangerous"... and on and on. They did not see his take on the USSR as realistic, but dangerous. He proved them all wrong regardless of what take you take on its demise. Reagan foresaw its collapse when nobody else did.

    His "ash heap of history" speech before the British Parliament wasn't seen as realistic at the time. Quite the contrary.

    Reagan brought Gorby and their Utopia to the brink by escalating an arms race they couldn't win and let Gorby walk over the edge of the cliff.

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    His idealism, though not accepted by many, even in his own Cabinet... proved correct. Taxation is in our control, we only need elect people like Herman Cain who possess the will to educate the pubic and invest political capital carrying this through.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    You picked a really really bad example. The Soviet Union collapsed from within because of corruption, over spending on the military, and trying to control to much of the world directly. Reagan had very little to do with it. Don't get me wrong, I believe he was a great president and he handled the slow collapses very well, but he didn't causes it.

    BTW, Obama supports fixing the tax code.
    btw: raising the top rates =/= "fixing the tax code"

    and the reason that the Soviet Union had to ramp up military spending was to match Reagan. Detente had been a stabilizing gift to them. Yes, you could argue that eventually-they-would-have-collapsed-anyway; but that is true of any nation or empire, and to suggest that we ignore the actual historical causes in favor of theoretical later ones is nonsensical.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    You picked a really really bad example. The Soviet Union collapsed from within because of corruption, over spending on the military, and trying to control to much of the world directly. Reagan had very little to do with it. Don't get me wrong, I believe he was a great president and he handled the slow collapses very well, but he didn't causes it.

    BTW, Obama supports fixing the tax code.
    "corruption, over spending on the military, and trying to control to much of the world directly"- gosh, that has a familiar ring to it. It's almost like there is a nation today trying to do the same thing, and with the same results.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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