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Herman Cain for president?

Would you vote for Herman Cain for president?

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cpwill said:
but the answer is: i have no idea. It's only been done once before that I am aware of. :(
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My innate cynicism says it will never happen, but who knows? My cynicism is wrong as much as 5% of the time.
 
cpwill said:
but the answer is: i have no idea. It's only been done once before that I am aware of. :(
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Its possible, but it requires a change in the voting system along with states taking their elections. I don't know how a state can do that legally with the Citizens United decision though :/
 
why would I vote for this guy?
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xpiher said:
Its possible, but it requires a change in the voting system along with states taking their elections. I don't know how a state can do that legally with the Citizens United decision though :/
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because of the freedom it gives to Unions? nah, all that really changed de facto with Citizens United is that they and corporations no longer have to funnel their money through PAC's.
 
Dittohead not! said:
My innate cynicism says it will never happen, but who knows? My cynicism is wrong as much as 5% of the time.
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well that has long been my hope for the current administration - that it would serve as a kind of immunization.
 
cpwill said:
because of the freedom it gives to Unions? nah, all that really changed de facto with Citizens United is that they and corporations no longer have to funnel their money through PAC's.
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No, what also changed was being able to donate an unlimited amount of funds anonymously
 
All I did is read two things about him and watch one speech so maybe Im wrong but like I said in another thread, no, absolutely not, he would definitely be part of the problem and not part of the solution.
 
xpiher said:
No, what also changed was being able to donate an unlimited amount of funds anonymously
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eh, that, too, was already a de facto reality, if you were willing to take the time to do so. and the SCOTUS only said that donations could be legitimately be kept anonymous against state demands if there could be a reasonable case made that exposing that list would open up supporters to assault and intimidation. It specifically overturned Citizens United claim that it had the right to keep it's list private, saying that they had not demonstrated any such thing.
 
xpiher said:
Yes he was. Thats the problem. The entire problem with the argument, and Gallup proved it, is that people believed talking heads and lies like "death panels." Once they were told what actually was happening more became in favor of the purposed changes than against.
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There are death panel. It's call rationing.
 
xpiher said:
Yes he was. Thats the problem. The entire problem with the argument, and Gallup proved it, is that people believed talking heads and lies like "death panels." Once they were told what actually was happening more became in favor of the purposed changes than against.
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Yeah I always giggle myself when I hear the term death panels, hell I giggle when I hear the term "Government run" health care

dont get me wrong IM not saying I agree with all the health stuff what Im saying is i cant bring myself to be that silly and dramatic.
 
Centrist77 said:
All I did is read two things about him and watch one speech so maybe Im wrong but like I said in another thread, no, absolutely not, he would definitely be part of the problem and not part of the solution.
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Since you are a centrist and he is the real deal conservative, (not a Rino bone in his body) he probably wouldn't appeal to you that much. However, just in case, maybe you could check him out some more :) There are several videos here to choose from.

Herman Cain - Presidential Exploratory Committee
 
Barbbtx said:
Since you are a centrist and he is the real deal conservative, (not a Rino bone in his body) he probably wouldn't appeal to you that much. However, just in case, maybe you could check him out some more :) There are several videos here to choose from.

Herman Cain - Presidential Exploratory Committee
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I linkedhis book. It doesn't have any solutions in it just talking points. What are you supporting
 
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Barbbtx said:
Since you are a centrist and he is the real deal conservative, (not a Rino bone in his body) he probably wouldn't appeal to you that much. However, just in case, maybe you could check him out some more :) There are several videos here to choose from.

Herman Cain - Presidential Exploratory Committee
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but see you hit the nail on the head in MY OWN opinion of who I am and not someone elses just GUESSING, any and all canidates should have the chance to appeal to me.

He simply doesnt because he will be part of the problem this country has and not part of the solution.

Too stereotypical, obvious and soundbyte like. He is an attack artist full of blind, partasin, dramatic, over the top, hyperbole, rhetoric speech. Its not what we need at all.

ALso I listen to Beck quite a bit is the the same guy that stands in for him every now an then? He sounds just like a shock jock.

Anyway I will gladly check out your link though and admit if Im wrong or he changes my mind but I doubt it. Just seems like the exact opposite of what we need.
 
xpiher said:
I like his book. It doesn't have any solutions in it just talking points. What are you supporting
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kinda what i was thinkin in general??? talking points, no real substance but ill keep lookin
 
Also at this point except for the equal rights for gays thread Im starting to think that it isnt some "extreme" righties spamming polls but maybe someone that hates extreme righties really bad, so they spam most of the poles right to try and make them look bad? LOL maybe an extreme leftie?
 
Forget the rest, I'm voting for the best. :mrgreen:

 
xpiher said:
I like his book. It doesn't have any solutions in it just talking points. What are you supporting
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I support pretty much everything he stands for. Low taxes for all to promote job growth, including corporate taxes to keep jobs from going over seas. Then eventually once he can convince the American people, impliment the Fair tax.
He wants to secure the border with technology and guns (with bullets in them). :) he wants to empower the states to be able to also protect their own borders and never would have sued Arizona. He wants to enforce the laws already on the books, but remove some of the red tape for an easier path to citizenship. He does not support any form of amnesty.
He wants to make us energy independent by using our own natural resources (drill here drill now). He does not support us giving Brazil Billions to drill and telling them we will be one of their best customers.
He doesn't agree that China will catch up with us in 5 yrs if he is President. He says we can outgrow them and that being in second place militarily or economically is not in our DNA. I believe him.
The man truly does give me hope for the future of America.
He will need help on foreign policy, that's where West could come in.:) (my dream ticket, Cain/west) Also, Cain has tons of experience surrounding himself with the right people. He would appoint only the very best and those he could trust to uphold our constitution.
I'm sure he would be a liberals worst nightmare. That's a plus too, in my book. Liberals are taking us down the wrong path, and if anyone can stop it, Cain Can.
 
His book is all talking points no substance and thats is running platform. The only thing hes said with any backing, not his own, is the Fair Tax.
 
Centrist77 said:
but see you hit the nail on the head in MY OWN opinion of who I am and not someone elses just GUESSING, any and all canidates should have the chance to appeal to me.

He simply doesnt because he will be part of the problem this country has and not part of the solution.

Too stereotypical, obvious and soundbyte like. He is an attack artist full of blind, partasin, dramatic, over the top, hyperbole, rhetoric speech. Its not what we need at all.

ALso I listen to Beck quite a bit is the the same guy that stands in for him every now an then? He sounds just like a shock jock.

Anyway I will gladly check out your link though and admit if Im wrong or he changes my mind but I doubt it. Just seems like the exact opposite of what we need.
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No, Cain has never stood in for Beck to my knowledge, and he's not a shock jock. I've been following Cain since 2009 and I also listen to Beck. If I had ever heard he was filling in, I wouldn't have missed it.
He doesn't agree with liberals at all, but unlike Obama he wants to be a leader to all the people, not just his base. I truly believe he will be a uniter.
 
Barbbtx said:
No, Cain has never stood in for Beck to my knowledge, and he's not a shock jock. I've been following Cain since 2009 and I also listen to Beck. If I had ever heard he was filling in, I wouldn't have missed it.
He doesn't agree with liberals at all, but unlike Obama he wants to be a leader to all the people, not just his base. I truly believe he will be a uniter.
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WHAT!!!!!!
wow, ill have to start listening to his audio and watching his videos MORE because nothing about the man at all, so far says "uniter"?? his extreme partisan oozes the exact opposite

how can you say he doesnt agree with one of the main parties at all but will be an uniter and Obama who many like to falsely claim is a socialists is accused of more isle crossing and caving to the other side more than any recent president?

AGain Obama is NOT all sunshine and rainbows but when I think of him I dont think of "anti-uniter" or a person that only wants the support of his bases LMAO are you serious or just messing with me right now?

Doesnt a shock jock from atlanta fill in for beck quite a bit? or is it for rush?
 
Barbbtx said:
He doesn't agree with liberals at all, but unlike Obama he wants to be a leader to all the people, not just his base. I truly believe he will be a uniter.
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He won't be able to. Obama couldn't, because only those who wanted to be united, were. Those who didn't, weren't. Cain will run into the EXACT same issue.
 
xpiher said:
Here is the link to cain's book again

Cain Common Sense Solutions

No substance.
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Well short of writing the bills for you to see, or telling you exactly how many troops he would put in or bring home in any given situation, I think he did pretty good. Also not sure, but I think this was written before he thought about running? What did we get from Obama before we elected him? Just askin'... :)
Another thing he said is that we will stand with our friends. He means Israel. That might turn some people off, but not me. I totally agree.
By the way, this isn't his book. I haven't read his book but I think it's called "They think we're stupid"
 
Barbbtx said:
No, Cain has never stood in for Beck to my knowledge, and he's not a shock jock. I've been following Cain since 2009 and I also listen to Beck. If I had ever heard he was filling in, I wouldn't have missed it.
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I just checked it is the guy i thought of but I had the wrong show he stood in for Rush quite few times, thats even more points against him, seems for me he is going into the negatives FAST
 
Barbbtx said:
There are death panel. It's call rationing.
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well, technically it's called the IPAB - Independent Payment Advisory Board. They're sort of the new American version of the British Orwellian-sounding N.I.C.E., which is in charge of deciding when Britons are no longer worth the cost of their medical care. IPAB's task is to figure out when your healthcare is no longer cost-effective for the government, and deny you - you or your doctor's opinion bedammed.

oh, they can be overturned.... but only by a supermajority of congress. For some odd reason, the ACA chose to make them immune from lawsuit, so their decisions (which are life and death) can't be argued in a court...... :confused: now gosh, why would they go and do something like that?
 
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