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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    As I always say... I don't care if somebody can tell a Balance Sheet from a Cash Flow Sheet, or even a Financial Statement, or had a Federal EIN number issued in their damn name. Having some experience manging stock prices or writing up payroll, doesn't give anybody federal executive experience. I want a candidate that understands the Constitution, can actually get a good bill through senate and the house, and understands foreign policy. This argument is a pet peeve of mine. We had an MBA serve as president and he wrecked the economy and followed the worst foreign policy in my lifetime.
    So, you can't vote for Obama. Who is your candidate?

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    That's what I'd like to know. He has no record, so all we have is his word... and I don't like that.
    I know how you feel. Look what we have now. All we have is President Obama's word and he lies a lot.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    When did racism get to be so acceptable?
    When Democrats took power.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I dont really agree with it either, but it's not way out there, or even biggoted imo, he's basing off the actually muslim laws and the Quran... he's definitely making a statement about the religion... kinda calling them out. Of course not all Muslims follow it, but i don't think he would deny a muslim that lined up with the Tea parties beliefs.

    I don't think new age islam is being referred to here anyway. Like barbs link, traditional islam does seem to have some contradictory things to traditional american values, that just would not uphold to be in any government office.

    Again i agree with you, and disagree with this, but i don't think it's a huge deal where it would sway a vote... he has true american values at heart to be concerned with.
    Fair enough, celticwar. I just don't think most American Muslims fit the stereotype of devout worshippers who take the Koran literally. Think Dave Chappelle, etc., all the celebrities in the media we see that adhere to Islam. The vast majority of them are just normal Americans, they just happen to adhere to a different religion, and one that shares the same roots and has so many similarities to Christianity. The reason I get so upset when Muslims are targeted by other groups, especially conservative Christians, is that they have a hell of a lot more in common than they have differences. It's really disturbing to see a lot of the hypocrisy that goes around, but that's just personally where I'm coming from. Both Christians and Muslims should have a hell of a lot less problems with each other than they should with atheists and agnostics.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    It will be something holding against him if he ever goes to office... I don't even know if this is what he believes -_- Ive never heard it before until the Wikipedia link, so its not something hes advocating a whole lot... I bet he will retract it if he goes to presidential election/or say it was taken out of context.

    Christianity and Islam... if you think about... have really contradictory things to american values... there certainly are laws stated in both that we do not follow. I guess this guy feels swearing to the Shiria law is different then following christian ones?

    my opinion, he's not taking about muslim's who are open minded, but just the Shria law followers.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Two things.

    1) Oh, I'm sorry. Was this poll only open to Republicans? All apologies.

    2) Judgemental much? I wouldn't even be in this thread if I wasn't hoping that the GOP can actually find a worthy candidate. I was a Republican for most of my life.


    Touchy much? How do you know I was even talking about you? Frankly I didn't even recall offhand what you self-labeled as.... but there's nothing wrong with pointing out that most of the "no's" are from people who aren't likely to vote GOP anyway, as it makes the results more understandable.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Being blunt and honest does not get you elected. The ability to speak without actually answering a question gets you elected. The ability to talk to a diverse group, and have all of them come away thinking you're on their side gets you elected.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Exactly what i was trying to say ^
    It's the same as saying "i would'nt appoint a Liberal to my cabinet" People who practice Islam has some core beliefs that are not appealing to a traditional american. If there was an Islamic Tea Party member that did not follow tradition Islam laws im sure he would appoint them. People are taking that one random quote WAY over-board.
    I don't know what you define as "traditional Islamic laws" but most Muslims I know don't want to push them on anybody else.... I think of traditional Islamic laws as being tradition in the sense that nearly all Muslims follow them like the pillars of Islam, eating with your right hand, certain greetings, dietary laws, not gambling, fasting, pilgrimage, etc. Then you have a lot of laws that vary like divorce laws and rights, inheritance laws, etc.

    There is even a Sharia court system in Israel for marriage and divorce, because the population is mostly Jewish and Muslim. Why would Muslims want to follow Jewish jurisprudence and marry/divorce according to Jewish law and custom, and by Rabbis?

    In Jewish law, the man initiates the divorce with a get document. However, the woman initiates a divorce by suing in rabbinical court.

    Halakha (Jewish law) allows for divorce. The document of divorce is termed a get. The final divorce ceremony involves the husband giving the get document into the hand of the wife or her agent, but the wife may sue in rabbinical court to initiate the divorce. In such a case, a husband may be compelled to give the get, if he has violated any of his numerous obligations; this was traditionally accomplished by beating and or monetary coercion. The rationale was that since he was required to divorce his wife due to his (or her) violations of the contract, his good inclination really desires to divorce her, and we are only helping him to do what he wants to do anyway. In this case, the wife may or may not be entitled to a ketuba payment.
    Jewish views on marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In Islam a man or a woman can initiate a divorce. A man terminates marriage under the process of talaq, and woman does it though khul. The steps and process vary in talaq and khul depending on jurisprudence and sect.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talaq_(Nikah)
    Khul' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'

    Usually Jewish people or Muslims don't expect anybody else to follow their religious laws. At least not in my personal experience.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Fair enough, celticwar. I just don't think most American Muslims fit the stereotype of devout worshippers who take the Koran literally. Think Dave Chappelle, etc., all the celebrities in the media we see that adhere to Islam. The vast majority of them are just normal Americans, they just happen to adhere to a different religion, and one that shares the same roots and has so many similarities to Christianity. The reason I get so upset when Muslims are targeted by other groups, especially conservative Christians, is that they have a hell of a lot more in common than they have differences. It's really disturbing to see a lot of the hypocrisy that goes around, but that's just personally where I'm coming from. Both Christians and Muslims should have a hell of a lot less problems with each other than they should with atheists and agnostics.
    Sharia Law is like a trigger word... They hear the phrase, and they automatically think of the Taliban and extremism. No Muslim really rejects Sharia Law, but not all Muslims are Taliban supporters either. There is a problem with that perception.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Catawa is my favorite bleeding heart liberal.
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