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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    BTW more than half of the people voting No in the poll are liberals, who aren't likely to vote for any GOP candidate anyway...
    Two things.

    1) Oh, I'm sorry. Was this poll only open to Republicans? All apologies.

    2) Judgemental much? I wouldn't even be in this thread if I wasn't hoping that the GOP can actually find a worthy candidate. I was a Republican for most of my life.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    My mistake on Obama appointees.

    I don't see refusing to appoint Muslims who would swear in on the Quran as bigotry. We are still at war with those who live by the words found there. Cain just wants to make sure he appoints people who will uphold the constitution.
    We're at war with my Dad? That's news to me... He voted for Bush, and he's a Turkish American... He just happens to be Muslim, but the more the right looks like they have a problem with Islam, the more and more he loses his respect for the GOP.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    While I have my doubts that he can obtain the candidacy, if he did I would vote for him. I may very well vote for him in the primary... still thinking on it.
    I won't vote for him... sorry, but this guy obviously acts like Muslims are the enemy and if he wins, my Muslim family members would probably never vote Republican again.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    He says his name is like Cain in the bible, only he's never killed anybody.
    And his first name is one of the Monster's names...

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    In the unlikely event he becomes President, I feel that he's free to pick whoever he wants to complement his team. I just had a problem with what he said (the quote that Hatuey put up), and what that reveals about his thought process.
    That actually wasn't a quote, but close enough I guess. He did say he wouldn't appoint a Muslim to his cabinet. However is Islam just a religion? Could someone swear in on the quran and still be expected to uphold the constitution? That is probably the struggle Cain is having. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but that would be my worry.

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    Secularists in the West will agree with this, then they will point out that under Islamic law, people are not all equal. No non-Muslim, for example, could become the president. Well, in response to that fact, in turn, secularism is no different. No Muslim could become president in a secular regime, for in order to pledge loyalty to the constitution, a Muslim would have to abandon part of his belief and embrace the belief of secularism which is practically another religion. For Muslims, the word 'religion' does not only refer to a collection of beliefs and rituals, it refers to a way of life which includes all values, behaviours, and details of living.
    Secularism cannot be a solution for countries with a Muslim majority or even a sizeable minority, for it requires people to replace their God-given beliefs with an entirely different set of man-made beliefs. Separation of religion and state is not an option for Muslims because is requires us to abandon Allah's decree for that of a man.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I won't vote for him... sorry, but this guy obviously acts like Muslims are the enemy and if he wins, my Muslim family members would probably never vote Republican again.
    I bet he would get smashed for that belief, if it gets to the presidential elections, he'll probably apologize or show that the quote was taken out of context ... if that is what he actually believes... so far i've only seen a wikipedia reference...
    what it seems like to me is a random flaming liberal reporter trying to get as much dirt as possible to make this guy illegitimate.
    In the big scope of things i don't think it's something that would take my vote away from, because he's an awesome candidate.

    The muslim/terrorist debate is really sensitive to some people... i don't think he's claiming to strip rights away or anything, or even scold Muslims. The only thing the link said that he said, was he thinks that it would be inappropriate for himself as president to hire people of the muslim faith in the government b/c of the off chance of them following shria law. I don't agree with this view, but it is a legitimate concern, because the majority of people who practice Islam have different values then a traditional american would, it's just like saying "I will never hire a Liberal in government if i was president"; It's the same thing, imo. And i highly bet, if there was a muslim that was apart of the tea party he would absolutely want to appoint him... YOU ARE WAY OVER-REACTING.
    Again before we can really decide about this we need to wait and see how his campaign develops, and know his actual stances on things.

    I do like his attitude though, he really stands by what he says and says things like they are... definitely need more of that.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    That actually wasn't a quote, but close enough I guess. He did say he wouldn't appoint a Muslim to his cabinet. However is Islam just a religion? Could someone swear in on the quran and still be expected to uphold the constitution? That is probably the struggle Cain is having. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but that would be my worry.

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    Okay, I get where you're coming from. However I think that characterization is pigeonholing all Muslims into a very narrow description. Turkey would be an example of a relatively successful secular regime with a large, devout Muslim population. The quotes from the site that you cited would be like, if James Dobson spoke for every conservative Christian.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    That actually wasn't a quote, but close enough I guess. He did say he wouldn't appoint a Muslim to his cabinet. However is Islam just a religion? Could someone swear in on the quran and still be expected to uphold the constitution? That is probably the struggle Cain is having. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but that would be my worry.

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    Exactly what i was trying to say ^
    It's the same as saying "i would'nt appoint a Liberal to my cabinet" People who practice Islam has some core beliefs that are not appealing to a traditional american. If there was an Islamic Tea Party member that did not follow tradition Islam laws im sure he would appoint them. People are taking that one random quote WAY over-board.

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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Exactly what i was trying to say ^
    It's the same as saying "i would'nt appoint a Liberal to my cabinet" People who practice Islam has some core beliefs that are not appealing to a traditional american. If there was an Islamic Tea Party member that did not follow tradition Islam laws im sure he would appoint them. People are taking that one random quote WAY over-board.
    And just what are these "Islamic views" that are not appealing to "traditional Americans"? Have you met most Muslims? Different Muslims practice their faith differently, their beliefs and their practices are about as varied as Christians. Some are very devout, many not so much. Some take the Koran very literally, most American Muslims take the Koran about as literally as most Christians take the Bible.

    The difference between excluding Muslims, and excluding liberals, is that apparently Cain's rationale is that "because of their faith, Muslims might not uphold the Constitution." That's a pretty blanket statement and is not backed up by any evidence. If there's any evidence that the average American Muslim has more disdain for the US Constitution than the average American, I would like to see it.
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    Re: Herman Cain for president?

    I dont really agree with it either, but it's not way out there, or even biggoted imo, he's basing off the actually muslim laws and the Quran... he's definitely making a statement about the religion... kinda calling them out. Of course not all Muslims follow it, but i don't think he would deny a muslim that lined up with the Tea parties beliefs.

    I don't think new age islam is being referred to here anyway. Like barbs link, traditional islam does seem to have some contradictory things to traditional american values, that just would not uphold to be in any government office.

    Again i agree with you, and disagree with this, but i don't think it's a huge deal where it would sway a vote... he has true american values at heart to be concerned with.
    Last edited by celticwar17; 05-05-11 at 09:56 PM.

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