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Is the Tea Party racist?

Is the Tea Party Movement Racist


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What the hell is that?

referring to a reverse but monkey.
It's a movement that is racially biased as a result of the socioeconomic realities of the group but I don't think it is racist.

You used the butafter what you really meant instead of before.
I don't think the tea party is racist, but they are racist, is a regular but monkey. You reversed the order.
 
They'll do the same here, only they won't be as obvious.
They'll say
"I don't think they are racist BUT"
Then they will proceed to paint them as racists. It's called a but monkey (sometimes a however monkey)
Thanks Laura Ingraham.

Well, someone did paint them all racist in this poll, someone who prefers to remain hidden, a trait that could only be accomplished by a mod. Let's see, who hasn't voted in this poll?
 
Well, someone did paint them all racist in this poll, someone who prefers to remain hidden, a trait that could only be accomplished by a mod. Let's see, who hasn't voted in this poll?

i thought members of the general public could vote on polls.
 
-_- you completely missed my point... I think it is not fair to say "but they have racist members"... you should just stop it at "No the movement is not racist." Even though, it is true they do have racist members, but there is no point in adding that fact because every polical movement has some racist's. I think bringing that point up is just meant to stick it in for the emotional response.

I should stop wherever I want to stop. By saying, "but they have racist members" explains why some people perceive the entire movement racist (which neither I nor anyone else in the thread seems to believe). The emotional responses to such a statement are nonsensical from my perspective since we all agree that there are racist people in the Tea Party. In a thread about Tea Party racism it makes sense to mention racist tea partiers. Sorry.
 
-_- you completely missed my point... I think it is not fair to say "but they have racist members"... you should just stop it at "No the movement is not racist." Even though, it is true they do have racist members, but there is no point in adding that fact because every polical movement has some racist's. I think bringing that point up is just meant to stick it in for the emotional response.

I honestly don't think that is the case HERE in this thread.

I think everybody is referring to the "Tea Party is racist" "evidence" as NOT indicative of the actual movement.

Dismissing the racist argument against the movement.

HERE in this thread.

I don't think its "code" or anything in this particular thread.:2wave:
 
referring to a reverse but monkey.


You used the butafter what you really meant instead of before.
I don't think the tea party is racist, but they are racist, is a regular but monkey. You reversed the order.

Huh? I said the group is racially biased because of socioeconomic realities, as in that the group is mostly comprised of white people who are not impoverished. I also said that I didn't think that made them racist.
 
This is a bad question. It cannot be a yes or no question. Is the Tea Party racist as a whole group, and a racist "party"? No... Are there racists in the party and group? Yes.
 
I don't know. It sounds like some kind of gay sex trick...


not quite :)

Laura Ingraham: But Monkey
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The segment called "But ... Monkey" takes someone's sound bite and divides the words before "but" (usually something positive or complimentary) from the words that follow (usually something negative or critical) with a screeching monkey sound. Other variations of the monkey cited include the "Having Said That Monkey" and the "Double But ... Monkey."
 
This is a bad question. It cannot be a yes or no question. Is the Tea Party racist as a whole group, and a racist "party"? No... Are there racists in the party and group? Yes.

The thing is, it shouldn't even be an issue.
Do we go around asking if the boy scouts are racists? Of course not, but I'm sure we could find some bigots in the boy scouts.
 
The thing is, it shouldn't even be an issue.
Do we go around asking if the boy scouts are racists? Of course not, but I'm sure we could find some bigots in the boy scouts.

I'm pretty sure the role of racism or bigotry in any organization is always "an issue" and relevant to people's political decisions.
 
Huh? I said the group is racially biased because of socioeconomic realities, as in that the group is mostly comprised of white people who are not impoverished. I also said that I didn't think that made them racist.

Yes, you said they are racially biased. They are not. Do they like that so few blacks are conservative? Do they prefer the black votes go to dems?
Do they not welcome black conservative candidates? It's not the fault of the tea party that most blacks are democrats. Conservatives don't pander to people because of race. In my opinion that makes them less racist, not more than than the democratic party.
 
Yeah, I don't see what the problem is. Some tea partiers are racist - this is not a controversial statement.

Some democrats are racists. That is not a controversial statement but we don't here about that, now do we?
 
Some democrats are racists. That is not a controversial statement but we don't here about that, now do we?

We're in a thread called: Is the Tea Party racist? Why would someone include statements about racist Democrats in response to that question? Oh my goodness. You are so sensitive.
 
Do you think one "niggar" sign at a rally makes the tea party racist?
If so, than I guess the Union rallys are predominantly Communists.

let me be clear: the tea party organization itself is not racist. the tea party organization attracts racists, and has some racist members. yes, i belive some dems are racist, but i don't believe the democratic party attracts racists, simply because the dems champion the rights of minorities. enough with the ancient history here, it doesn't MEAN anything in this instance.
 
Whites have no sense of rhythm whatsoever! That's just weird. And they talk all nervously. They are know to be a little uppity and way too proper.

Why would any blacks want to join a group like the Tea Party? But you can't say they are being racist.
 
Tea party should not be labelled racist. Every group has some extreme elements in it. Taxed Enough Already to me is a legitimate criticism of "our" money spent by the government. Some people feel they pay too much in taxes. Others feel that they are not getting their moneys worth based on the amounts being put in. Racism should not come into play.

I have to admit, I don't quite understand why a group dedicated to, in theory, lower taxes only formed when this president came into power, seeing as he ran on cutting taxes for 98% of the population. Taxes are at the lowest rates they've been in quite some time.

No. Basically, anyone opposed to Obama at all has that mantle thrust upon them. They do not 'accept' it. It is forced upon them.

What I've seen happen is what I refer to as the "racist card". Anytime someone criticizes the TP or any of Obama's detractors, the detractors come out with some variation of "they're accusing us of being racists!", regardless of whether the Obama supporter did so.

The thing is, it shouldn't even be an issue.
Do we go around asking if the boy scouts are racists? Of course not, but I'm sure we could find some bigots in the boy scouts.

I would argue that the boy scouts are homophobic (or whatever a better word for prejudiced against queers would be). They don't let in homosexual members, so their group is bigoted.
 
Do you think I'm stupid? The only party you highlighted was the "reports of racial and homophobic slurs". Right after that it says they were also concerned after, "rom photos circulating on the Internet of signs raised at tea party protests with slogans such as "Obama Promotes White Slavery," and the exhortation of a speaker at the group's convention that voters should be subject to literacy tests." In other words, that had several factual reasons to for voicing their concerns.

Your silence on the other two people I talked about, Lenny McAllister and Jean Howard-Hill, show me that you haven't found a way to deny the fact that they too are concerned about racism is the Tea Party.

Not much to find on them. They aren't conservatives anyway and it's no wonder the tea party isn't their cup of tea. One says he has confronted those with racist and asked them to take them down. That's good. The other says he is concerned about them not denouncing racism (they have) and the accusations of socialism. Sorry, but I think the tea party is right to worry about socialism.


Some black conservatives question tea party’s inclusiveness – Washington Post | REPUBLICAN.GNOM.ES
Yet Lenny McAllister, a Republican commentator and author, said he has seen racism within the tea party and has confronted it — approaching people with racially derogatory signs of President Obama and asking them to take the signs down. Like Brice, he said leaders of the movement must not ignore the issue.
“I feel like the tea party movement is at its core a good thing for America. It is a group of citizens that have not been previously involved,” McAllister said. “The people are speaking up and becoming more educated on the issues, but you have fringe elements that are defining this good thing with their negative, hateful behavior.”
McAllister, who has spoken at several tea party gatherings, said the movement is more diverse than news clips show. “There is this perception that these are all old, white racists and that’s not the case,” he said.
Jean Howard-Hill, a moderate Republican who leads the National Republican African American Caucus, wrote that she is “not sure what’s in the cup of tea.”
“Any movement which cannot openly denounce racism, calling it out as wrong troubles me,” she wrote. “To attack President Obama on his policy is one thing, but to do so on his race or some hysterical pretext of socialism is yet another.”
Now, they've had their chance to speak. How about listening to a black man that has been with the tea party since the beginning and hopefully will be our next president.

Presidential Hopeful Herman Cain Blasts Accusations of Tea Party Racism | Red County

His comments are likely to resonate within the Tea Party community in and around Chicago where he has gained a large following. He spoke at the conservative Right Nation 2010 event in Hoffman Estates last fall and finished an impressive fourth in its 12-person straw poll ahead of better known figures like Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee. More recently, last month he finished first in the straw poll at the Tea Party Patriots American Policy Summit in Arizona.Of that victory, Cain said, “Would 2,500 racists vote for me for president? I don’t think so. I have been speaking at Tea Party rallies and going to Tea Parties ever since they got started and there is absolutely no racism there. At some of the earlier Tea Party rallies, did some people have some signs that might have insinuated that some racist elements may have been there? There were, but then Tea Party people got them out of there. The accusation is a ridiculous accusation.”

With emotion rising in his voice he called tarnishing millions of Tea Party activists with guilt by association “slander” and added , “Those offensive signs went away real quick. So why do people want to keep focusing on those very offensive signs? I haven’t seen any more. As you can tell, I’m just a little bit sick and tired of the accusations. I know first hand because I’ve been involved in the Tea Party movement since the beginning.”Cain added, “I’ve been well received by the Tea Party because of my message. That’s pure and simple. My message of less government, less taxes, our Constitutional liberties, and letting the free market do what it is supposed to do which is to create jobs. That’s what this movement is all about. The reason I have been so well received is because they love the message. So do millions of other people who’ve never been to a Tea Party. Those are my deep down beliefs and this is what this whole movement is all about.”
 
Pretty simple question here.

As a group, a collective, is the Tea Party movement racist?

(Keep in mind I'm mostly being the devil's advocate here, to keep the debate lively)

Yes, the TP is racist. Let's look at how they were formed. First we had a white president whom bailed out the banks. We heard very little grumbling from the right. Then when a black man becomes president, before he's even done anything, the right-wing populists rise up and start complaining. He got flack over continuing the bail-out that started under Bush, for crying out loud. Just look at how many senators voted for Bush's TARP, but against Obama's.

So the TP forms around the issue of taxes, when this black president declares that 98% of the population will get tax cuts. We have several leaders of this movement saying or doing racist things, like when the leader of the second biggest group publishes a racist letter saying blacks would rather be slaves. You have racist signs show up at rallies. The TP doesn't even do anything about the overt racists until the media attacks them. Yes, they are racist.

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yeah, no racism at all....


And while this one isn't racist, it's arguing for sedition, which still isn't good

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Read up on the demographics of the Tea Party. It's the same as the Republican demographics only with even lower percentage of minorities. This bull**** about the Tea Party being anything more than a group composed primarily of disgruntled middle class white suburbanites is ridiculous. The worst part is that people actually buy into the notion that the Tea Party is some sort of 'multi-racial' coalition of tax payers. The only minorities in the Tea Party are the ones they like to parade on TV to show off their multiculturality.

The tea party is made up of conservatives. Why are you so obsessed with race? Blacks are more than welcome in the tea party. Most just choose to stick with the democrats.
 
The thing is, it shouldn't even be an issue.
Do we go around asking if the boy scouts are racists? Of course not, but I'm sure we could find some bigots in the boy scouts.

Uhh racism anywhere is an issue..
Especially in a political force. This question was directed at the Tea Party and about the Tea Party, not the "boy scouts"....
 
none, i see. thanks.

Here's the video.
Glad that's not my party. I'd be distancing myself real quick.
As far as the any racist signs that existed at tea party rallys in the past, to my knowledge they are gone.
Video: Koch protests include calls to lynch Clarence Thomas; Update: Common Cause “outraged” over comments « Hot Air
Yes, these comments come from the attendees, not the speakers at the protest organized by Common Cause at the Koch political conference, but according to the media rules on covering the Tea Party, that makes all liberals racists, and also responsible for the murders committed by Kermit Gosnell in his abortion clinic in Philadelphia. Right?
Granted, the cameraman is trying to get the people to say something outrageous, but he also doesn’t have to try very hard. He asks people at the rally what “we” should do after impeaching Clarence Thomas to get justice for Anita Hill, and he gets some mighty interesting answers: Send him “back to the fields.” “String him up.” “Hang him.” “Torture.” One older woman wants his wife Ginny Thomas strung up as well. A younger and more creative woman wants Justice Thomas’ toes chopped off and forced-fed to him. Thomas isn’t the only one to get the necktie treatment; one protester wants Fox News executive Roger Ailes to get hung as well
 
Not much to find on them. They aren't conservatives anyway and it's no wonder the tea party isn't their cup of tea. One says he has confronted those with racist and asked them to take them down. That's good. The other says he is concerned about them not denouncing racism (they have) and the accusations of socialism. Sorry, but I think the tea party is right to worry about socialism.
Yes. They are. Do you even check your facts? Both of them have run for Republican offices. McAllister is a conservative commentator and Howard-Hill was involved with the Black Republican Women's Coalition and the National Republican African-American Caucus.

Now, they've had their chance to speak. How about listening to a black man that has been with the tea party since the beginning and hopefully will be our next president.
How about you stop assuming that because I make Claim X, I'm unaware of Fact Y. I know that there are black republicans who support the tea party, but you asked me what black republicans questioned tea party racism - so I answered that question. You want me to pander to your sensitivities by making sure that I mention the things that you want people to think about the Tea Party. It's not going to happen.

First, you try to tell me that Brandon Brice based his criticism of tea party on false information by selectively highlighting an article and ignoring his legitimate reasons for concern and assuming that I wouldn't actually read what you posted.

Then, you try to tell me that McAllister and Howard-Hill aren't conservatives (when they obviously are) in order to hide the fact that two more black conservatives have reservations about the Tea Party.

Finally, you try to "educate" me about black Republican Tea Partiers as if I didn't know that they existed.

Your revisionism and denial of reality is getting old. Guess what - there are racist tea partiers. Guess what - there are black Republicans who question the involvement of race in the tea party. Oh ****ing well.
 
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