View Poll Results: When it comes to the debt ceiling, should the government:

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  • Raise it. Debt is not a problem.

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  • Default on our debt. Better to declare bankruptcy than cut spending.

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  • Cut non-essential spending until we can meet our current obligations.

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Thread: Should we default, cut spending, or increase our debt?

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    Re: Should we default, cut spending, or increase our debt?

    Defaulting would be disastrous for our nation and the world.

    Perhaps if raising taxes/closing "loopholes" and decreasing spending weren't mutually exclusive we could increase income and decrease outgo at the same time.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Should we default, cut spending, or increase our debt?

    We shouldn't even HAVE a debt ceiling. Why do we have to have two of these fights every year (one for the budget and one for the debt ceiling)? Congress just got done reaching a budget deal for 2011, so why the hell would they even consider not honoring the debt that they've just agreed to acquire?

    If you want to cut spending and stop acquiring debt, that's fine and dandy. Just convince Congress of your viewpoint, and/or elect new people to Congress. But not raising the debt ceiling after we've just agreed to take on more debt is ****ing stupid.
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    Re: Should we default, cut spending, or increase our debt?

    As a sidenote. I cannot vote in this poll because it assigns motive in the poll options and my motive does not match any of those. I hate it when polls try to characterize people.

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    Re: Should we default, cut spending, or increase our debt?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
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    Dammit, I missed out!
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Should we default, cut spending, or increase our debt?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Obama and Democrats are acting like there are two choices: increase the debt ceiling or default on our debt and basically declare national bankruptcy. These two choices are dishonest. There is a third choice. We can cut spending for non-essential programs, cowboy poetry festivals, turtle bridges and skate parks, superman capes for the unemployed, NPR, planned parenthood, the war in Libya, etc and cut spending enough to meet our current debt obligations.

    The government is like a man in a 5,000 sq ft home with premium cable channels, eating filet mignon for breakfast lunch and dinner, driving five nice cars, with a lawn service, pool service, weekend hookers, and every gaming system known to man claiming that if we don't let him open another credit card to pay the minimum balance on his current card he will either have to declare bankruptcy or choose between taking his medication or eating.

    Are those really the options?
    I think we should clarify the list of essential spending, make it to where the troops can still get paid during a government shut down,make a pay as go as federal law(unless there is a national emergency or we are at war) and shut the government down until the debt is paid off.
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    Re: Should we default, cut spending, or increase our debt?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
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    The story is hilarious. However, its not connect to federal spending, but state spending, so it probably shouldn't have been mentioned.

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    Re: Should we default, cut spending, or increase our debt?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Its not, it only appeals the super wealthy that have enough money not to have to worry about anything.
    That is what this entire teaparty thing is about...its about the rich taking more money and power from the people. It didnt start out that way thats why the had the support from the working class and baby boomers...but especially since Nov2nd its become evident what they are all about.
    On nov2nd I voted straight republican...I voted for Marco Rubio, Rick Scott, and Ted Nugent...Scott was a mistake and so my jury is still out on Rubio and Nugent...rubio has been eerily silent since nov2nd, I believe hes taking the florida old farts pulse and ted nugent is a nice guy desparately trying to sell Ryans plan and hes failing
    I see you changed your lean lpast. You know, it's weird but I really have to disagree with you here. I don't see how the rich and wealthy have anything to benefit from a default, and I honestly don't think the Tea Party is about empowering the rich.
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    Re: Should we default, cut spending, or increase our debt?

    Depends, if the plan of action proposed by Congress is to push off the debt on my kids, in the future.
    I'd rather we default and get it over with.

    I do not believe in making future generations pay for the posterity of those now.
    It's immoral.
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    Re: Should we default, cut spending, or increase our debt?

    Things are not so cut and dry. This is how we solve this problem. We get rid of the debt ceiling because it's like believing in Santa Claus. Then we cut spending mainly with massive overhauls to the healthcare system that Obama originally promised and not this compromised "better or nothing" thing he has done, cut the military budget by a 1/3, raise the retirement age by 3 years, regulate social programs so that people that are able can't take as much advantage of them, tell China to go **** itself, and lastly and sadly inevitable roll back the Bush tax cuts on us all.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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