View Poll Results: If the economy does not significantly improve by 2012, who will you blame?

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Thread: Who will you blame in 2012?

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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Excellent post. This is the problem with all of these threads. People are quick to blame, slow to look for solutions. It's much easier to blame. If you blame the other guy, you get to wash your hands of the situation, sit around and bitch how everything is his fault... instead of actually doing something about it.
    Instead of blaming select parties, I would blame all politicians because in their contention our nation's future slips away.

    The politicians seem to be the only ones able to pass movements to save our nation; there is not much we civillians can do.

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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Excellent post. This is the problem with all of these threads. People are quick to blame, slow to look for solutions. It's much easier to blame. If you blame the other guy, you get to wash your hands of the situation, sit around and bitch how everything is his fault... instead of actually doing something about it.
    Part of fixing a problem is figuring out the cause of that problem. So wouldn't part of the solution be figuring out who is to blame and not electing them again?
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    It's kindof the biggest economic deal since the great depression, or so we've been told. Quite a slump inherited rom the previous presidency I never expected us to recover from in a single term from how it was refered to in media.
    Your right I didnt expect us to be fully recovered either in Obama's 4 yrs...but I did not expect him to put us 6trillion more in debt and have the unemployment only double...its only fair to have expected an improvement not a totally worsening for 4 yrs.
    Obama' spending has put the middle class in the position it is with the far right spoiled teaparty brats...the middleclass is truly caught right in the middle between the two extremes and they NEED TO FIGHT back against both of them

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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Last time I suggested that figuring out how to solve the problem was more important than blaming someone, I got lambasted for 'trying to ignore what brought us to this point' and told that 'you can't find a solution unless you know who caused the problem'... blha blah blah.

    See if you can guess if the people who told me that were liberals or conservatives.
    Depends on your political lean. If you were a conservative, liberals would say that; if you were a liberal, conservatives would say that. This is the problem.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    I put neither. Personally, I think you'd have to be some what ignorant to blame Obama for the current state of the economy. It would also show extreme partisanship, since he fulfilled every conservative economist's wet dream:

    1) He continued tax cuts for the rich
    2) He bailed out the big banks that were too big to fail
    3) He gave even more money to stimulate business through TARP (let's see that trickle down economics?)

    If you take issue with TARP for budgetary issues that's an entirely different argument. Otherwise, what the hell else could you blame him for?
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    If the economy does not significantly improve by 2012, who will you blame? And why?
    The last 50 years were Bush's fault, and the next 50 years will be Bush's fault.
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The last 50 years were Bush's fault, and the next 50 years will be Bush's fault.
    But what about the 50 years after that? Since I am immortal, I'd like to know who I am supposed to blame, then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Correct. But it DOES mean that saying that the recession is "Obama's fault" because he maxed out our credit cards is ridiculous, because A) he didn't, and B) that isn't even the economic problem we're currently facing.
    While i agree the recession was well beyond the Obama administration's control, i cannot accept that the national debt has no part to play in the current economic climate, however small that part is. While it certainly is not the cause of the low growth and unemployment, to say it should not be addressed as a result is ludicrous.

    Because Obama has failed on his pledge to decrease the funding gap and national debt, investor confident has fallen in the US and it will only make access to credit harder. If the waste is cut and instead that money is utilized into creating jobs and investment and subsidies for small businesses, the situation wouldn't be as bad. But the fed gov is cash strapped and Obama doesn't want to make the cuts where it hurts and it mean's the much needed access to credit to actually create growth and job creation is becoming more and more expensive because it is being used in all the wrong places.

    In fact most of his "social policies" have just strained that deficit further.


    Deficit spending is exactly what we should be doing during a recession; and the bigger the recession, the bigger the deficits should be. This is absolutely the correct path to stimulate aggregate demand and get the economy moving again.
    A really good economist would cut the waste, stop creating inefficient social programs and balance out cuts at a federal level with growth at a private level. None of that is happening. While it would be ideal to expand spending in times of downturn, the fact that the US is being downgraded by creditors and the fact that US debt has hit $14+ trillion now means that such a policy just cannot be sustained.

    Yeah, we kinda had a financial crisis a few months before he got elected.
    $65 billion-a-year health plan
    $25 billion-a-year increase in foreign aid

    What part of this $90 billion dollars is increasing the wealth of US citizens?

    Obama's Trillion-Dollar Spending Plan - Capital Commerce (usnews.com)

    The financial power required for this pathetic health care "road map" could have been more easily diverted into immediate job creation and job security.

    How about the 1 trillion dollars worth of money Obama pumped into the economy and banks that have yielded little results?

    Oh bull****. The Republicans have no plan for dealing with rising health care costs except shift them from the government to individuals. The Democrats are actually interested in slowing health care inflation by copying policies that have been successful in other countries that have adopted them. And they don't just have a plan, they have an actual law in the Affordable Care Act. Health care is the biggest component of the structural deficit. One party has absolutely no plan, and one party has a reasonably good law.
    If the Democrats exercised more fiscal restraint and devolved fiscal powers to state authorities it would probably be much more easier to attack rising health care costs at a grass roots level, but we know Obama has done nothing to actually balance spending with what he can afford. Talking about "passing on the taxes to the other guy", doesn't medicare require American citizens pay for access to medicare for other citizens even if they use private hospitals themselves?

    Let's move to taxes. Democrats have shown willingness to compromise on the issue, and have called for some spending cuts as well as higher taxes. Republicans, however, have flatly declared that raising taxes on the wealthy is off the table as a method to balance the budget.
    And it makes sense since the wealthy have a greater economic potential.

    Democrats have a much more sensible plan to deal with structural deficits, and in any case structural deficits aren't the cause of the current crisis (which is the subject of this thread). But good job repeating talking points from Glenn Beck.
    I dont listen to that moron but it's good to know somebody does.
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    By the end of FY 2012 we will have had 6 years of democrat leadership in the senate, 4 years in the house, and 4 years in the White House. If you cant man up and own the responsibilities of the jobbyu applied for then dont ask for another term.
    Yes, Bush signed the budget for 8 years. Yes...democrats as well as republicans passed those budgets. No one person and no one party is responsible. Republican led congress took us from 4 to 9 trillion in 6 years. Democrat budgets in the next 4 years took us from 9 to 14.5 trillion to date and that will increase to 15.5 trillion by the end of 2011 spending. Enough already.

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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Like it's either one of them's fault. I blame you! The voting citizens for doing things like attacking fine people like Donald Trump when you should be voting for him and supporting his campaign. Is there ever going to be a time when you've had enough?

    There's nothing wrong. We're good. I like Obama's smile.

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