View Poll Results: If the economy does not significantly improve by 2012, who will you blame?

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Thread: Who will you blame in 2012?

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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Fact is all the lefty socialists globally are in denial about the economic crises. Something in the air these days that are driving them irrational and stupid.
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    If you max out on your credit card and can't afford to pay back the debt, who do you blame? The idiot who sells the merchandise or the idiot who buys the merchandise? Obama holds America's Visa Card and his had 3 years to pay back the debt as he promised he would. Instead he decided to walk into Dockers and buy the god damn shop.

    His fault!
    Except the national debt has absolutely nothing to do with the current economic problems that the US is facing; there was a bit of a financial crisis in September 2008, if you'll recall. Although I have to give the Republicans credit for ingraining the "Obama's-debt-caused-the-recession" meme in people's minds. It's usually more difficult than that to so firmly drive the public narrative toward something so blatantly false.
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Except the national debt has absolutely nothing to do with the current economic problems that the US is facing; there was a bit of a financial crisis in September 2008, if you'll recall.
    Rings a bell ()

    Just because unemployment and low growth isn't being caused by the tremendous national debt, that doesn't mean the problem should not be addressed. There is still a HUGE deficit and over reliance on the federal government that is harming the US as an investment hub and consequently it's causing troubles internationally. Obama had an election manifesto and he forgot to tick this one off.

    Although I have to give the Republicans credit for ingraining the "Obama's-debt-caused-the-recession" meme in people's minds. It's usually more difficult than that to so firmly drive the public narrative toward something so blatantly false.
    Yet the Republicans are the only ones who want to do something about it.
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    I would blame every politician, because they all own footprints in this path we're heading.

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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Rings a bell ()

    Just because unemployment and low growth isn't being caused by the tremendous national debt, that doesn't mean the problem should not be addressed.
    Correct. But it DOES mean that saying that the recession is "Obama's fault" because he maxed out our credit cards is ridiculous, because A) he didn't, and B) that isn't even the economic problem we're currently facing.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08
    There is still a HUGE deficit and over reliance on the federal government that is harming the US as an investment hub and consequently it's causing troubles internationally.
    Deficit spending is exactly what we should be doing during a recession; and the bigger the recession, the bigger the deficits should be. This is absolutely the correct path to stimulate aggregate demand and get the economy moving again. In the medium-term, yes, the deficits will need to be dealt with and the US does need to address its structural deficit (rather than the deficit caused by the recession). But that's a completely separate issue that has little relevance to the current recession.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08
    Obama had an election manifesto and he forgot to tick this one off.
    Yeah, we kinda had a financial crisis a few months before he got elected.

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    Yet the Republicans are the only ones who want to do something about it.
    Oh bull****. The Republicans have no plan for dealing with rising health care costs except shift them from the government to individuals. The Democrats are actually interested in slowing health care inflation by copying policies that have been successful in other countries that have adopted them. And they don't just have a plan, they have an actual law in the Affordable Care Act. Health care is the biggest component of the structural deficit. One party has absolutely no plan, and one party has a reasonably good law.

    Let's move to taxes. Democrats have shown willingness to compromise on the issue, and have called for some spending cuts as well as higher taxes. Republicans, however, have flatly declared that raising taxes on the wealthy is off the table as a method to balance the budget.

    Democrats have a much more sensible plan to deal with structural deficits, and in any case structural deficits aren't the cause of the current crisis (which is the subject of this thread). But good job repeating talking points from Glenn Beck.
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    bush has slept with more corporations than obama, including his own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The same people I blamed 5 years ago - everybody.

    Nobody is innocent, especially this time around. Obama is more responsible than Bush, but there's plenty of blame to go around - especially at the corporate level.
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I have an idea....why don't we look forward for a change?
    Excellent post. This is the problem with all of these threads. People are quick to blame, slow to look for solutions. It's much easier to blame. If you blame the other guy, you get to wash your hands of the situation, sit around and bitch how everything is his fault... instead of actually doing something about it.
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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    To me this is a nobrainer...after 4 yrs of Obama and theres no improvement he most definitely OWNS the bad economy

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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac
    I have an idea....why don't we look forward for a change?
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Excellent post. This is the problem with all of these threads. People are quick to blame, slow to look for solutions. It's much easier to blame. If you blame the other guy, you get to wash your hands of the situation, sit around and bitch how everything is his fault... instead of actually doing something about it.
    Last time I suggested that figuring out how to solve the problem was more important than blaming someone, I got lambasted for 'trying to ignore what brought us to this point' and told that 'you can't find a solution unless you know who caused the problem'... blha blah blah.

    See if you can guess if the people who told me that were liberals or conservatives.

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    Re: Who will you blame in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    To me this is a nobrainer...after 4 yrs of Obama and theres no improvement he most definitely OWNS the bad economy
    It's kindof the biggest economic deal since the great depression, or so we've been told. Quite a slump inherited rom the previous presidency I never expected us to recover from in a single term from how it was refered to in media.

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