View Poll Results: Should This become law in Ohio?

Voters
26. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    7 26.92%
  • No

    19 73.08%
Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 61

Thread: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

  1. #1
    User
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    05-01-11 @ 04:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    65

    Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    Should the following become law in Ohio?

    Currently, under ORC 2950 a Sexual Offender is required to register and that individual under Ohio Law can NOT live within a specified distance of a school or daycare facility, however, this is where the law falls short. It is common knowledge (you can look this up if you like) that sexual offenders are the 2nd highest group likely to reoffend (only drug offenders are higher) and that the vast majority of sexual crimes take place inside the residence of the offender. Unfortunately the law does nothing to deal with this 2nd fact. This is why we are asking all the Ohio Republican Senators to ban together and introduce a bill into the Ohio Senate that puts real teeth into ORC 2950 via a major revision. We are requesting:

    1. Keep the school/daycare but increase the distance to 5,250 feet. That is one circular mile and will ensure anyone who wants a sexual offender/predator free neighborhood that very thing by their simply moving to within a reasonable distance of a school. This will help many parents and children sleep at night. (We are open to compromise on this, but the distance needs to increase, this will create RSO free neighborhoods.)

    2. Include in ORC 2950 a ban on Registered Sex Offenders on living with any minors. A minor being defined under this law as any person who has not yet achieved the age of eighteen (18) years of age. This law needs to allow NO exceptions to familial status. It does NOT matter if they are the children of the RSO (Registered Sex Offender), nieces, nephews, cousins, siblings or the children of relatives or the children of a friend, significant other (boyfriend/girlfriend) and so on. (Please consider all possible scenarios that could exist when writing it, including a woman who is an RSO and becomes impregnated once that child is born.)

    3. In the event that an RSO lives with or attempts to live with, (attempt being defined as applying for residency by filling out a rental application, purchase agreement, requesting verbally or in writing via handwritten, typed and/or electronic communications, to move into a residence that has children and lives with being defined any building that has any minors {this will include apartment buildings and duplexes, multi-family dwellings where the RSO rents one unit but children are residing in the same building in a different apartment}) (Can we include a hotel/motel/inn as a place of residence in this regardless of the length of the stay or perhaps give those individuals the right to ban RSO's from their property if they so choose to and if they violate charge them the same as if they attempted to reside with minors? I don't know, that's up to you guys.) (It is the responsibility of the RSO to advise the individual they are seeking housing with/from in writing that they are an RSO and what that they can NOT reside at that location if a minor is resides there) that this person be found guilty of a felony in the first (1) degree under this state statute and that the presiding judge be forced to sentence the RSO to the following:

    A. Five (5) years mandatory minimum up to a maximum of life in a state prison institution.
    B. No possibility of parole before Five (5) years of the sentence is served and or 67% of the sentence is served if presiding judge sentences the RSO to a term longer than Five (5) years. (If an RSO is sentenced to 100 months then the RSO must serve a minimum of 67 months before parole eligibility however an RSO sentenced to 6 years will have to serve a minimum of 1,825 days even though 67% of 6 years is only 1,576 due to the 5 year minimum no matter what before they can be considered for parole.)
    1) Any RSO who violates this statute can not apply for or appear before any parole board prior to their serving their minimum sentence. Any RSO that violates this statute must first serve either 5 years or 67% of their sentence, whichever is greater, prior to appearing before a parole board to be considered for release.
    C. That any RSO who violates this order be automatically determined to be a Sexual Predator with maximum monitoring upon release.
    D. That any RSO who violates this law and is paroled or released from prison after serving their sentence be subject to life on parole with maximum supervision.
    E. That any RSO who violates this law be ordered upon release from prison to wear while on parole an electronic monitoring device at all times that will display to local law enforcement at all times their location and the RSO's history of locations.


    4. In the event that an RSO is found guilty of this statute and they are sentenced to prison and released and they violate this statute a second time the following penalty shall be enforced:

    A. The RSO who violates this law shall be found guilty as a Repeat Sexual Predator and subject to Life in a state prison insitution with NO chance of parole whatsoever. This is a mandatory sentence and shall not be eligible for a reduction for any reason whatsoever.

    5. In the event that an RSO is charged with violating this statute the Prosecuting Attorney does NOT have the power to plead the case down to a lesser charge. The case MUST be enforced under this statute and prosecuted as this statute outlines. (YES, WE ARE ASKING THAT NO PLEAD DEALS BE ALLOWED UNDER THIS STATUTE, THESE ARE OUR KIDS AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM.)

    6. That any RSO who violates this statute while awaiting be trial be subject to a minimum mandatory cash bail/bond requirement. (**Personally, we'd like to see this number as a few million dollars however realize that might be considered extreme/unreasonable so we leave that to the Senators to decide what is a reasonable minimum bail/bond.) Any RSO who is charged under this statute is NOT eligible to be released on their Own Recognizance regardless of their connections to the community and so on.

    7. That any individual who has been convicted and labeled as an RSO, regardless of when their conviction was, be advised of this statute and the guidelines of this statute concerning their housing and that they are subject to this statute. (Otherwise, grandfather all of them into this, we know you guys can do this.)

    8. That any RSO from another state upon registering in Ohio shall be given a copy of this statute and advised that they are subject to it at all times while in the state of Ohio.

    9. That any RSO who violates this statute and then flees to another state or country be subject to immediate extradition to Ohio to stand trial for said violation.

    10. That any RSO who violates this statute and is awaiting trial and is freed upon placement of bail/bond and fails to appear for any hearing/trial date set forth by the court shall at that time have their bail/bond immediately revoked, a warrant issued for their immediate arrest and the complete forfeiture of the bail/bond to the presiding court and be ineligible bail/bond to be placed again, instead they shall be held for remand until such time as their is a final disposition on said violation.

    11. That any RSO who violates this statute and any other statutes and is charged with said violations and stands trial for said violations and is found to be guilty of this said statute and any other statute must serve their sentences consecutively and is not under any circumstances or conditions eligible for said sentences to be served concurrently. All sentences imposed by the courts for violation of this statute shall be served prior to sentence commencing for any other statute violations.


    So, should Ohio and other states pass legislation like the above to protect kids from predators or not?

  2. #2
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    tl;dr

    "Registered sex offender" is a very broad term, so yes, they should be allowed to live with minors unless they've done something that actually poses a threat to the child's safety.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  3. #3
    Sage
    samsmart's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,316
    Blog Entries
    37

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    tl;dr

    "Registered sex offender" is a very broad term, so yes, they should be allowed to live with minors unless they've done something that actually poses a threat to the child's safety.
    You're absolutely right.

    I think we should legally differentiate between someone who is a "sex offender" and someone who is a "sexual predator."

    A sex offender is someone who violates any kind sex law. This can be anything from public urination to a teen girl who sends pics of her boobies to her boyfriend. So it really is overly broad.

    Sexual predators, on the other hand, are those who are rapists and child molesters. These are people that society needs to be protected from.

    So I'm all for this kind of law being passed for sexual predators but I don't think it should apply to every sex offender.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

  4. #4
    Sage
    Dezaad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Last Seen
    06-28-15 @ 10:43 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    5,058
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    I think this law as formulated would make it nearly impossible for a sexual predator to function in society. Which is fine, but why pussyfoot around? If we want to punish them for X number of years, then just keep them in jail, even if that is for life. I think what this law would do is create a class of people who were forced to live in concentrated, very small areas or outside of cities, but still concentrated along certain boundaries. This would seriously impair prospects for employment or keeping employment. This would likely result in other criminal behavior, which would return a high number of them to jail repeatedly anyway. Hell, the desperation alone might drive them to want to return to prison, and we certainly know what their crime of choice would likeky be. Why drive them to desperation, and then put them back in jail, rather than just keep them there in the first place?

    To my mind, creating a class of desperate people who roam semi free in our society is not a great option.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

  5. #5
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    If society has deemed them safe enough to be released from prison then they should be allowed to live with a minor.If they can not be trusted with their full rights then they should not be released from prison in the first place.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  6. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    04-21-11 @ 01:12 AM
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    21

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    Unless they are a pedophile, then they shouldn't be allowed. But if it's some 18 year old who banged his teenage girlfriend who isn't 18 yet, then there is no reason for them to not be allowed to live with a minor.

  7. #7
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,243
    Blog Entries
    43

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    Quote Originally Posted by TDZ View Post
    Should the following become law in Ohio?

    Currently, under ORC 2950 a Sexual Offender is required to register and that individual under Ohio Law can NOT live within a specified distance of a school or daycare facility, however, this is where the law falls short. It is common knowledge (you can look this up if you like) that sexual offenders are the 2nd highest group likely to reoffend (only drug offenders are higher) and that the vast majority of sexual crimes take place inside the residence of the offender. Unfortunately the law does nothing to deal with this 2nd fact. This is why we are asking all the Ohio Republican Senators to ban together and introduce a bill into the Ohio Senate that puts real teeth into ORC 2950 via a major revision. We are requesting:

    1. Keep the school/daycare but increase the distance to 5,250 feet. That is one circular mile and will ensure anyone who wants a sexual offender/predator free neighborhood that very thing by their simply moving to within a reasonable distance of a school. This will help many parents and children sleep at night. (We are open to compromise on this, but the distance needs to increase, this will create RSO free neighborhoods.)

    2. Include in ORC 2950 a ban on Registered Sex Offenders on living with any minors. A minor being defined under this law as any person who has not yet achieved the age of eighteen (18) years of age. This law needs to allow NO exceptions to familial status. It does NOT matter if they are the children of the RSO (Registered Sex Offender), nieces, nephews, cousins, siblings or the children of relatives or the children of a friend, significant other (boyfriend/girlfriend) and so on. (Please consider all possible scenarios that could exist when writing it, including a woman who is an RSO and becomes impregnated once that child is born.)

    3. In the event that an RSO lives with or attempts to live with, (attempt being defined as applying for residency by filling out a rental application, purchase agreement, requesting verbally or in writing via handwritten, typed and/or electronic communications, to move into a residence that has children and lives with being defined any building that has any minors {this will include apartment buildings and duplexes, multi-family dwellings where the RSO rents one unit but children are residing in the same building in a different apartment}) (Can we include a hotel/motel/inn as a place of residence in this regardless of the length of the stay or perhaps give those individuals the right to ban RSO's from their property if they so choose to and if they violate charge them the same as if they attempted to reside with minors? I don't know, that's up to you guys.) (It is the responsibility of the RSO to advise the individual they are seeking housing with/from in writing that they are an RSO and what that they can NOT reside at that location if a minor is resides there) that this person be found guilty of a felony in the first (1) degree under this state statute and that the presiding judge be forced to sentence the RSO to the following:

    A. Five (5) years mandatory minimum up to a maximum of life in a state prison institution.
    B. No possibility of parole before Five (5) years of the sentence is served and or 67% of the sentence is served if presiding judge sentences the RSO to a term longer than Five (5) years. (If an RSO is sentenced to 100 months then the RSO must serve a minimum of 67 months before parole eligibility however an RSO sentenced to 6 years will have to serve a minimum of 1,825 days even though 67% of 6 years is only 1,576 due to the 5 year minimum no matter what before they can be considered for parole.)
    1) Any RSO who violates this statute can not apply for or appear before any parole board prior to their serving their minimum sentence. Any RSO that violates this statute must first serve either 5 years or 67% of their sentence, whichever is greater, prior to appearing before a parole board to be considered for release.
    C. That any RSO who violates this order be automatically determined to be a Sexual Predator with maximum monitoring upon release.
    D. That any RSO who violates this law and is paroled or released from prison after serving their sentence be subject to life on parole with maximum supervision.
    E. That any RSO who violates this law be ordered upon release from prison to wear while on parole an electronic monitoring device at all times that will display to local law enforcement at all times their location and the RSO's history of locations.


    4. In the event that an RSO is found guilty of this statute and they are sentenced to prison and released and they violate this statute a second time the following penalty shall be enforced:

    A. The RSO who violates this law shall be found guilty as a Repeat Sexual Predator and subject to Life in a state prison insitution with NO chance of parole whatsoever. This is a mandatory sentence and shall not be eligible for a reduction for any reason whatsoever.

    5. In the event that an RSO is charged with violating this statute the Prosecuting Attorney does NOT have the power to plead the case down to a lesser charge. The case MUST be enforced under this statute and prosecuted as this statute outlines. (YES, WE ARE ASKING THAT NO PLEAD DEALS BE ALLOWED UNDER THIS STATUTE, THESE ARE OUR KIDS AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM.)

    6. That any RSO who violates this statute while awaiting be trial be subject to a minimum mandatory cash bail/bond requirement. (**Personally, we'd like to see this number as a few million dollars however realize that might be considered extreme/unreasonable so we leave that to the Senators to decide what is a reasonable minimum bail/bond.) Any RSO who is charged under this statute is NOT eligible to be released on their Own Recognizance regardless of their connections to the community and so on.

    7. That any individual who has been convicted and labeled as an RSO, regardless of when their conviction was, be advised of this statute and the guidelines of this statute concerning their housing and that they are subject to this statute. (Otherwise, grandfather all of them into this, we know you guys can do this.)

    8. That any RSO from another state upon registering in Ohio shall be given a copy of this statute and advised that they are subject to it at all times while in the state of Ohio.

    9. That any RSO who violates this statute and then flees to another state or country be subject to immediate extradition to Ohio to stand trial for said violation.

    10. That any RSO who violates this statute and is awaiting trial and is freed upon placement of bail/bond and fails to appear for any hearing/trial date set forth by the court shall at that time have their bail/bond immediately revoked, a warrant issued for their immediate arrest and the complete forfeiture of the bail/bond to the presiding court and be ineligible bail/bond to be placed again, instead they shall be held for remand until such time as their is a final disposition on said violation.

    11. That any RSO who violates this statute and any other statutes and is charged with said violations and stands trial for said violations and is found to be guilty of this said statute and any other statute must serve their sentences consecutively and is not under any circumstances or conditions eligible for said sentences to be served concurrently. All sentences imposed by the courts for violation of this statute shall be served prior to sentence commencing for any other statute violations.


    So, should Ohio and other states pass legislation like the above to protect kids from predators or not?
    I was going to reply to individual paragraphs and changed my mind. A sex offender is an all-encompassing term. If you're talking about pedophiles, I'm pretty much with ya'. But not all sex offenders are pedophiles!!! A sex offender might be a 21-year-old having consensual sex with a 17-year-old. Until the law differentiates between pedophiles and sex offenders, I am very uncomfortable with the restrictions you're recommending. We might as well shoot them.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

  8. #8
    User
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    05-01-11 @ 04:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    65

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    I was going to reply to individual paragraphs and changed my mind. A sex offender is an all-encompassing term. If you're talking about pedophiles, I'm pretty much with ya'. But not all sex offenders are pedophiles!!! A sex offender might be a 21-year-old having consensual sex with a 17-year-old. Until the law differentiates between pedophiles and sex offenders, I am very uncomfortable with the restrictions you're recommending. We might as well shoot them.
    To use the above as an example, in Ohio, the age of consent is 16 so a 21 year old having consensual sex with a 17 year old would not be convicted of a sex crime, though contributing to the delinquency of a minor might be a potential charge they could face.

    Unless they are a pedophile, then they shouldn't be allowed. But if it's some 18 year old who banged his teenage girlfriend who isn't 18 yet, then there is no reason for them to not be allowed to live with a minor.
    And this example would be dependent upon the age of the girlfriend. If she's 16 or 17 then no issues beyond potential contributing to the delinquency again, however if she's 13 then there is a huge isse as she's below the age of consent in Ohio. While a 13 year can consent to sex, an 18 year old in most people's views has no rights to be having sex with someone so young.

    Moving forward, in some of the other claims individuals are using the example of public urination as being linked to a sex offender. I can find no example of someone urinating in public and then being labeled by a judge upon conviction as an RSO (Registered Sex Offender) without any other charges being included in the case. Keep in mind that in Ohio we have 3 labels of sexual offendrs:

    1. Registered Sexually Oriented Offender
    2. Habitual Sexually Oriented Offender
    3. Sexual Predator

    To be labeled as any of the 3, one must commit a sexually oriented crime against another (public urination is rarely a crime against another, more of a victimless crime in most scenarios) and be found guilty of that crime. To give an example of a case that is borderline in some minds in Ohio:

    John Charles Veasey III At the age of 31 he hooked up with a 15 year old girl and they had consensual sex for 2 1/2 months, he took her (she was willing) to Florida for 19 days and was finally apprehended. He was charged with sex with a minor, contributing to the delinquency of a minor and taking a minor across state lines. Part of his sentence was to register as a sexually oriented offender for 10 years.

    Keep in mind that Ohio already has different levels of registration for sex offenders and that a minor labeled as a sex offender is normally given a clean slate at either 18 or 21 with the blessing of the sentencing judge when it comes to sex labelling in Ohio.

  9. #9
    Maquis Admiral
    maquiscat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,010

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    This has the potential to be one of those feel good laws that can backfire badly. Like the rest, I'm all for these kind of restrictions on pedophiles. However, what is the point of restricting the living of someone who is, say, a granny serial rapist. Can't live near a school or children. Yeah real safety restriction there. Again that comes from the broad categories that all get lumped under RSO.

    And while Ohio may not currently have any laws that would include public urination as a sexual offense (usually placed under Indecent Exposure, I believe) has the law been examined to ensure that other such offenses that aren't really sexual crimes won't get covered under this.

    I'm also against the hotel part, as it does make things unnecessarily hard on someone actually trying to get their life together and needing to travel. maybe a requirement to register with management, but then also with management to a) not reveal the status and b) maintain a watch on the person if children are in the building.

  10. #10
    Baby Eating Monster
    Korimyr the Rat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Laramie, WY
    Last Seen
    11-23-17 @ 02:02 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    18,709
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    Where should they live, then? Where can you live, in any city, that is more than a mile away from any of the places from which they are prohibited?

    If we're not going to allow them to live, it's cleaner to kill them.

Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •