View Poll Results: Should This become law in Ohio?

Voters
26. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    7 26.92%
  • No

    19 73.08%
Page 2 of 7 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 61

Thread: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

  1. #11
    Sage
    Cephus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    CA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    29,774

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    Assuming that, by "registered sex offender", you're talking about pedophiles, then no, they should not be allowed to live with minors. If you're using the term in a broader context, then it depends.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

    Blog me! YouTube me! VidMe me!

  2. #12
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Everywhere and Nowhere
    Last Seen
    03-07-12 @ 03:28 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,692

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    It should be up to the parent of the minor as to whether or not they spend time with a sex offender - oh, and the minor themselves, of course.

  3. #13
    pirate lover
    liblady's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    St Thomas, VI
    Last Seen
    03-14-16 @ 03:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    16,165
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    statutory rape offenders have to register as sex offenders, right? so say 18 yr old lives with his parents, sleeps with his 15 yr old girlfriend, and her parents file charges. he gets probation, but has to register. does he then have to move out of his home because he has younger siblings? what if he gets married in 3 years, can he not have children?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


  4. #14
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    It's ridiculous to try to think hat you can prevent your kids from ever being near such people.

    Registered offenders of which are pedophiles (not all are registered pedophile offenders as has been mentioned) - but they, at some point, WEREN'T known to be a threat. Someone out there is *not* a registered sex offender but *does* want to molest a child and satisfy those urges.

    You are only a registered offender after you have been caught, put on trial, and in many states it's your choie if you're going to sign onto the list or not. . . they are not a 100% fool proof barrier against said individuals.

    The only thing that really helps is having people who are vigilent and protective - without going over the top.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

  5. #15
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    I don't like it. I already think that our "registered offenders" laws go too far as is. Also, I disagree with any form of minimum sentencing; that's one of the reasons we pay judges, they decide what is appropriate on a case by case basis. They'll have well more information than we can ever have. Also, these things have gotten so far out of control that there have been sex offenders essentially forced to live under an overpass or in the woods because they cannot move into another place. The recidivism rate for sex offenders is not much higher than other crimes, and I think we've gone so far down the "won't somebody please think of the children" route that we've lost sight of proper law enforcement and punishment.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  6. #16
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    01-18-13 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,631

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    The cited code would have two notable effects.

    The number of men consenting to register with the police will drop dramatically.

    The public's ability to know where dangerous offenders live will disappear.

    Note, the offenders who are supposed to register aren't going to move 80 miles out of town. Some of those are going to be the pedophiles who actually need to be tracked and monitored. So, the net effect of the bill, in the first instance, is going to be the evaporation of the RSO list.

    Where's the money going to come from to enforce this?

    Ohio will discover that the above law will apply only to new offenders, anyway.

    There's the clause that outlaws "verbal" attempts to move in with parents of minor children. How is this adjudicated and how is a conviction obtained?

    This is yet one more example of public politicians playing on artificially generated public hysteria to condemn a broad segment of a population when any particular crime sparking the indignation is typically committed by new offenders who were never on any list in the first place. Question: Since Ohio is failing economically, shouldn't the state legislature be focused on getting rid of the union stranglehood on their state budget and fixing their budget problems instead of defining new classes of bogus crime that will require expanded government spending to prosecute and expanded govenment funding to hold in prison when convicted?

    The word "pedophile" has an extremely narrow definition, and the class of pedophiles is a small subset of the class of "child molesters", which is, again, a small subset of "sexual offenders". In some states a man engaged in consensual hide the salami with a prostitute can be convicted of a sex crime and required to register as an RSO.

    If it's "pedophiles" those people are afraid of, shouldn't they study the issue? Laws like the above are written by people who are so afraid a lion will eat their child, so they ban house cats, too.

    One should note that a man convicted of murder can be paroled and live in the house next to a school, and no one but his parole officer will ever know.

  7. #17
    Sage
    samsmart's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,316
    Blog Entries
    37

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    One should note that a man convicted of murder can be paroled and live in the house next to a school, and no one but his parole officer will ever know.
    Which is why I want registration lists for those found guilty of murder, of manslaughter, of assault, of battery, of domestic violence, of fraud, of burglary, and of embezzlement. After all, I think those convicted of such actions should be known by the public as well so the public can take steps to protect themselves against such people as well. I don't know why sex offenses are so special when a child is just as much in danger from someone who commits domestic violence as they are in danger from a child molester.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

  8. #18
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Which is why I want registration lists for those found guilty of murder, of manslaughter, of assault, of battery, of domestic violence, of fraud, of burglary, and of embezzlement. After all, I think those convicted of such actions should be known by the public as well so the public can take steps to protect themselves against such people as well. I don't know why sex offenses are so special when a child is just as much in danger from someone who commits domestic violence as they are in danger from a child molester.
    Absolutel - very good point!

    I'm more perturbed by those offenders - because they do pose a highe risk of re-committing those same crimes in part because they're not known for it.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

  9. #19
    Mod Conspiracy Theorist
    rocket88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    A very blue state
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,149

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I think this law as formulated would make it nearly impossible for a sexual predator to function in society. Which is fine, but why pussyfoot around? If we want to punish them for X number of years, then just keep them in jail, even if that is for life. I think what this law would do is create a class of people who were forced to live in concentrated, very small areas or outside of cities, but still concentrated along certain boundaries. This would seriously impair prospects for employment or keeping employment. This would likely result in other criminal behavior, which would return a high number of them to jail repeatedly anyway. Hell, the desperation alone might drive them to want to return to prison, and we certainly know what their crime of choice would likeky be. Why drive them to desperation, and then put them back in jail, rather than just keep them there in the first place?

    To my mind, creating a class of desperate people who roam semi free in our society is not a great option.
    There's already been cases of sex offenders living under bridges because these laws prevent them from living anywhere in the town that they live in. But these laws will always get support, because it's about s-e-x.

    At some point, you have to treat them like any other criminal. If someone is convicted of killing a child, there are no such laws that prevent them from living near a school. Aren't murderers a risk to kill again? The sad fact is that living in a society requires that we trust people to some extent. If you decide that you can't trust sex offenders, then just make the sentence for child molestation life without parole.

  10. #20
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Everywhere and Nowhere
    Last Seen
    03-07-12 @ 03:28 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,692

    Re: Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

    If they serve a sentence handed down by a judge, then they've already done their time. There aren't many other crimes that a person can commit where they are denied full freedom after getting out of jail like a sex offender registry does.

    Why are rapists not on these registries, and just pedophiles? Are rapists not sex offenders? Why don't we have a murderer registry, or a registry for people who have committed breaking and entering into homes? Actually, I'd want to know if I live in the vicinity of someone who might break into my home!

    Hell, why don't we just make everyone's rap sheet available to the public so that neighbours are notified when ANYONE with a criminal record moves into the area? We want to know where the "bad guys" are, right?

    Can we not see how ridiculous the sex offender registry is? It shouldn't be anybody's business but the police's as to whether or not you have a record, as it is their job to monitor community crime.
    Last edited by Temporal; 04-21-11 at 02:15 PM.

Page 2 of 7 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •