NO - I am over 40, and they should have to pay for me, even if they never draw out
YES - I am over 40, and they should be allowed to do so
SORTA - I'm over 40; they should be allowed to split their FICA between themselves and me
YES - I am under 40 and I would much rather not pay into an SS system I will never draw from
NO - I am under 40; I feel it's my obligation to pay the Boomers, though I will never see a dime
I do those things, because I care about people and I care about my community. I am not forced to do by the government, and I am not arguing that it should be forced by the government. I simply feel it's my obligation as a human being to stop injustices.
I am complaining that this is an institutionalized attitude that needs to be changed... of course I know nobody is really obligated to help anybody else. All I am saying is that I find your attitude to be ****ty, and why an 80 year eating cat food would look to the government to help her before looking for good and willing Samaritans in her community to help her.
You probably think liberals are the problem... when in fact, I think the liberals are trying to help because society is infected with people like you, not willing to help other people.
Once you're 18, your family isn't obligated to do **** for you.That was your obligation. That is your family's obligation.
If you're 80 years old and eating cat food, you're parents are dead... and your kids might not give a **** about your old ass or have the money to support you.
People don't want to feel like a burden at any stage in their life... When you're old, you lose your independence...
I know you don't care about your community or anybody else but your own... We have established your ****ty attitude is far from being a solution to these issues.I don't care about your retirement. I care that my retirement is taken care of and that I can support my parents and other elderly family members with the help of my generation within the family.
It is societies problem... Again, you are mistaken if you think ignoring the impoverished isn't going to affect you. You can beat your drum on and on about this all you want, but they have a right to vote and they might as well ignore your lecturing and scolding and vote for more social assistance if nothing else is done. Then all you'll be able to do is keep repeating this tried old rhetoric, and repeating it, and repeating it... because you have nothing to offer.When I have to care for you and your lack of planning and your family's apathy toward their own (editorial "you", not the personal "you"), it takes away from my ability to elevate the quality of life for those I actually do care about.
It's not society's problem. It's a private matter between seniors and their family's.
Last edited by SheWolf; 04-22-11 at 12:59 PM.
That's the whole thing, too. If you saw more Dad's like hers supporting the next generation, that generation will be better equipped to support the Dad's in their old age.
Shewolf, the problem is that SS is a tax - you are not guaranteed to get anything. The government owes you nothing
There isn't any money to pay out.
Just think about it logically, too. The first generation who got SS did fantastically. They paid barely anything in and got so much money. Now, eventually someone's going to have to bite the bullet for that. It is either going to be one generation, or spread out over a few, but somebody is going to get ****ed by SS.
There's a person on this forum who brags about getting 10x more than he put in and what a great investment it was. The problem is that it ISN'T an investment. SS gets 'invested' into government bonds. Yay, we see interest on that, right? No, not really. The interest paid on those government bonds gets paid for by, guess who? Us, via other taxes.
So, the problem is that the SS 'fund' only generates 'interest' through other taxes. We end up paying for it anyway. Right now, there's a ton of liabilities, we're running a deficit (or soon will be, I forget which it is) on it and there's no end in sight. Reforming SS just means we're going to spread the burden across more generations until it ends up collapsing anyway and screwing over everyone who had yet to receive anything. Or, cut it now and screw over everyone who had yet to receive anything as of now.
SS isn't going to end well. For everyone under 50 now, it's a game of hot potato, but the ****ed up part is we're all left with the potato in the end. Let's look to see who wrote themselves checks, payable by their kids and grandkids.
Give a man a fish, or he will destroy the only existing vial of antidote.
Don't get me wrong... I think they might try, but it's still unconstitutional, and my generation will be in power eventually. If the government outright robs us, and the people don't complain about it, then we are all ****ed and this country, and the founders dream would be entirely lost.
Social security is a multi-level corporation. The top of the pyramid received the best benefits years ago. Now it is too big to fail.(sound familiar). I cannot speak for all, if one cannot at least benefit from the SS taxes withheld by the government, the people should have a shot at putting that money towards another option.
My family is more important than my party.
I think the young should be allowed to opt out but also forfeit SS benefits. If you pay into a system that will never ever return that back to you then that's legalized theft in my opinion.
Tired of elections being between the lesser of two evils.When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. -Socrates